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    What's in a name?

    So, I tested with Pathway Genomics, and they identified 16311c - 131c - 152c and called it haplogroup HV9a.

    Then, I did the walk with FTDNA and received 16311c - 131c - 152c - 235g - 263g - 309.1c. Thomas Krahn called this haplogroup HV3a1b2.

    Lastly, I tested with Ancestry.com (Sorenson) who came up with 16311c - 131c - 152c - 235g - 263g - 309.1c - 315.1c. Their conclusion was haplogroup K.

    What does this tell me?
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    since ftdna tests 22 coding region SNP's beneath HVR1 + 2, you can be sure, not to belong to HG K, but really to HV. What is confusing is the fact that names have changed. HV3 does not appear anymore and it's subclades had been renamed. One became HV9a. So both ftdna and pathway can be right.
    To know more, you really have to upgrade at ftdna or do an independent test at 23andme, who would also give you enough SNP's to determine your subclade.
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    23andme calls it HV9a as well, but I don't think they post the actual SNPs they found, do they?
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    well, if you are at 23andme, you can easily check for yourself. They don't have to list your relevant SNP's.
    go to > account > browse raw data > download and save the actual mito data to your computer
    > unzip it to txt
    go to: http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap-new/
    upload the txt.file and you will get your newest subclade and all the SNP's, nocalls, mismatches and additional mutations, 23andme have tested! Takes only a few seconds!
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    Found 2018 markers at 1988 positions covering 12.0% of mtDNA.

    Markers found (shown as differences to rCRS):

    HVR2: 131C 152C 235G 263G
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8994A 11257T 15326G
    HVR1: 16311C

    IMPORTANT NOTE: The above marker list is almost certainly incomplete due to limitations of genotyping technology and is not comparable to mtDNA sequencing results. It should not be used with services or tools that expect sequencing results, such as mitosearch.


    Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

    1) HV9a1

    Defining Markers for haplogroup HV9a1:
    HVR2: 131C 152C 263G
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 5480G 7028T 8860G 8994A 11257T 15326G
    HVR1: 16311C

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup HV9a1 (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 16311C ⇨ HV(T16311C) ⇨ 8994A ⇨ HV9 ⇨ 152C ⇨ HV9(T152C) ⇨ 131C ⇨ HV9a ⇨ 5480G 11257T ⇨ HV9a1 ⇨ 235G

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(12): 131C 152C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8994A 11257T 15326G 16311C
    Extras(1): 235G
    Untested(2): 5480 8860


    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
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    J1* with dys388=13, dys458=18.1 and ycaii=22-22

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    welcome to the board and to your subclade! This is the best, you can get for the moment. James Lick's tool is always based on the latest release of:
    http://www.phylotree.org/

    as you have one additional mutation ( 235G ) you should keep an eye on the next releases of phylotree, since it can put you in a new branch!
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    This is very similar to mine. 23 and Me gave me HV9a. When I used James Lick's program, these are the results:

    Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:
    1) HV9a1
    Defining Markers for haplogroup HV9a1:
    HVR2: 131C 152C 263G
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 5480G 7028T 8860G 8994A 11257T 15326G
    HVR1: 16311C
    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup HV9a1:
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 16311C ⇨ HV(T16311C) ⇨ 8994A ⇨ HV9 ⇨ 152C ⇨ HV9(T152C) ⇨ 131C ⇨ HV9a ⇨ 5480G 11257T ⇨ HV9a1
    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(11): 131C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8860G 11257T 15326G 16311C
    No-Calls(1): 5480G
    Untested(2): 152 8994


    2) HV9a
    Defining Markers for haplogroup HV9a:
    HVR2: 131C 152C 263G
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8860G 8994A 15326G
    HVR1: 16311C
    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup HV9a (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 16311C ⇨ HV(T16311C) ⇨ 8994A ⇨ HV9 ⇨ 152C ⇨ HV9(T152C) ⇨ 131C ⇨ HV9a ⇨ 11257T
    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(10): 131C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8860G 15326G 16311C
    Extras(1): 11257T
    Untested(2): 152 8994

    This is all fairly new to me, but it's nice to come across someone similar!

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    That is so close, it's uncanny. Where is your female line from? Mine goes back to the German/Danish border.
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    It looks as if mine may be from that general area, maybe with some Norwegian or Polish. I'm just now getting around to investigating that line, but with name changes it's proving to be a challenge. I'm on 23 and Me as well. I'll send you my name; there may be some clues to that. I wonder how common it is to have this close of a match.

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