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    Albanian & Arbėreshė Admixture Results

    Thread for those with full or partial ancestry from these groups. Can be from any testing company or Gedmatch calculator.

    Here is my cousin's FTDNA result. He is full Arbėreshė.
     
    Southeast Europe-53%
    Iberia-20%
    Asia Minor-21%
    West Middle East-<2%
    Sephardic-3%
    West Africa-<1%


    He is not on Gedmatch.

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    Great idea. My own origins are from the Malesia e Madhe region of northwestern Albania/southeastern Montenegro. So far as I know, all my recorded ancestors are Albanians from the various tribes of this region on both sides of my family, no known Slavic or other ancestry included. As far as I can tell Eurogenes is the best calculator on Gedmatch (especially for people of predominately or totally European ancestry), since from what I've heard it's the most consistently updated. Some test results of mine below:

     
    K13
    Admix Results (sorted):
    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 22.52
    2 North_Atlantic 21.88
    3 East_Med 21.81
    4 West_Med 20.57
    5 West_Asian 9.39
    6 Red_Sea 1.65
    7 Oceanian 1.13
    8 East_Asian 0.64
    9 Amerindian 0.42

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bulgarian 3.95
    2 Romanian 5.78
    3 Greek_Thessaly 7.55
    4 Serbian 9.33
    5 Tuscan 12.88
    6 North_Italian 13.91
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.44
    8 Central_Greek 14.63
    9 Moldavian 14.96
    10 West_Sicilian 15.11
    11 East_Sicilian 15.83
    12 Ashkenazi 17.25
    13 Hungarian 17.43
    14 Croatian 17.63
    15 South_Italian 18.71
    16 Austrian 19.72
    17 Portuguese 20.31
    18 Spanish_Galicia 21.08
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.22
    20 French 21.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Sardinian @ 2.2
    2 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% Tuscan @ 2.89
    3 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% North_Italian @ 3.03
    4 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Ukrainian @ 3.06
    5 71.6% Greek_Thessaly + 28.4% Croatian @ 3.07
    6 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.11
    7 78.2% Greek_Thessaly + 21.8% South_Polish @ 3.13
    8 80.5% Greek_Thessaly + 19.5% Polish @ 3.21
    9 74.9% Bulgarian + 25.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.22
    10 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Estonian @ 3.29
    11 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.29
    12 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.31
    13 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.32
    14 91.3% Bulgarian + 8.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.33
    15 77.9% Greek_Thessaly + 22.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.35
    16 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
    17 56.3% Greek_Thessaly + 43.7% Serbian @ 3.36
    18 82.2% Greek_Thessaly + 17.8% Belorussian @ 3.37
    19 84.1% Greek_Thessaly + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 3.37
    20 93% Bulgarian + 7% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.42


     

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    Population
    ANE 11.47
    ASE 1.96
    WHG-UHG 48.41
    East_Eurasian 0.51
    West_African 0.17
    East_African 0.18
    ENF 37.30


     
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    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 0.21
    Armenian 4.18
    Basque 0.61
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.93
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 8.85
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 10.20
    East_Med 10.71
    Eastern_Euro 4.16
    Fennoscandian 4.28
    French 5.29
    Iberian 14.84
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 14.60
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 4.70
    North_African 0.20
    North_Atlantic 1.92
    North_Caucasian 0.79
    North_Sea 2.77
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 0.24
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 5.50

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    Very interesting results, Taltos. Here are my Family Finder for comparison:



    23andme:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaidas View Post
    Very interesting results, Taltos. Here are my Family Finder for comparison:



    23andme:

    Thanks for sharing Skerdilaidas. I like 23andme for admixture more than FTDNA. I decided to test my cousin at FTDNA though because eventually I am going to order the mtDNA and Y DNA for him. I know 23andme has it, but they are not specific enough.

    It would be great if FTDNA told us who they used already for reference samples. In 2012 (quite a while back now!) I wrote to Alexandr about his 4 ancestor oracle on Gedmatch. I wanted to know if he knew of any Arberesh samples. He did not but told me this about the Albanian ones.
    Their analysis shows that they are close to the western Mediterranean - to the Basques, the Corsicans, the people of Provence and northern Italy. But they have a small admixture of South Caucasus (Oracle defines it as 25% of an Armenians or Georgians)

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    Over the weekend an Albanian sent a sharing invite to my daughter's kit at 23andme. I then realized he also matched my mother and I. I messaged him. He thinks that based on the matches we are all sharing among us that my Albanian ancestry might come from Southern Albania. Unfortunately I cannot get passed the village in southern Italy to where in Albania we came from. Hopefully some day!

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    We are basically eastern shifted Tuscans. Not sure who Alexandr is, but I wouldn't say 'Caucasus' influence, whatever he means by that, is what's pulling us east on PCA maps. Even the bronze age Montenegrins and one of the samples from Croatia display this western shift. Probably has to do with the influence western Balkans has received from East ever since (Slavs..etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skerdilaidas View Post
    We are basically eastern shifted Tuscans. Not sure who Alexandr is, but I wouldn't say 'Caucasus' influence, whatever he means by that, is what's pulling us east on PCA maps. Even the bronze age Montenegrins and one of the samples from Croatia display this western shift. Probably has to do with the influence western Balkans has received from East ever since (Slavs..etc)
    I know very old quote from 2012. Alexandr Burnashev was credited with being the creator of the 4 ancestor oracle on Gedmatch.

    Back when Dr. McDonald was doing free analysis for most everyone he had my mom listed as Tuscan with a pull to the east that he wasn't sure about but fit her with Armenians, Georgians, or Druze. He then later did an update for me and said she fit with "Cypriot while clearly wrong is substituting for Albanian." He didn't have Albanian samples.

    Again it would be great to see who FTDNA actually used so we know who they are substituting for us!

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    it isn't easy being mostly NW European and trying to decipher my lesser amount of Mediterranean to see if the Italian side came from Albania at one time.... I don't have enough I guess to compare to all the full bloods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    Over the weekend an Albanian sent a sharing invite to my daughter's kit at 23andme. I then realized he also matched my mother and I. I messaged him. He thinks that based on the matches we are all sharing among us that my Albanian ancestry might come from Southern Albania. Unfortunately I cannot get passed the village in southern Italy to where in Albania we came from. Hopefully some day!
    Tizy Basta is the vice mayor of San Nicola dell'Alto. She is on Facebook as well. send her a friend request and see if she can help you with records or at least give you the contact that can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    Tizy Basta is the vice mayor of San Nicola dell'Alto. She is on Facebook as well. send her a friend request and see if she can help you with records or at least give you the contact that can.
    Basta is one of my lines too

    EDIT-I also recently matched a Basta closely from my line at 23andme. I am asking them to test their brother or nephew at FTDNA for the Y.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711

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