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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    Basta is one of my lines too

    EDIT-I also recently matched a Basta closely from my line at 23andme. I am asking them to test their brother or nephew at FTDNA for the Y.
    that would really be something if you are related to Tizy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Jesus, Albanians are showing up more Greek than Albanians on 23andme? I know this is Dibran's test as I also saw it on eupedia.

    Something urgent needs to be done about labelling the massive Arvanite population in Greece that got assimilated and list themselves as Greek on these tests and skew the results entirely.

    Greeks with Arvanite ancestry need to start specifying Arvanite Greek or something when doing these tests otherwise european history is just being obfuscated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpr View Post
    Jesus, Albanians are showing up more Greek than Albanians on 23andme? I know this is Dibran's test as I also saw it on eupedia.

    Something urgent needs to be done about labelling the massive Arvanite population in Greece that got assimilated and list themselves as Greek on these tests and skew the results entirely.

    Greeks with Arvanite ancestry need to start specifying Arvanite Greek or something when doing these tests otherwise european history is just being obfuscated.
    No, this isn't Dibran's test, this is my friend's results. I just got them. Which admixture calculators should I run? They are Gheg from Macedonia, not Albania...so maybe that plays a factor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    No, this isn't Dibran's test, this is my friend's results. I just got them. Which admixture calculators should I run? They are Gheg from Macedonia, not Albania...so maybe that plays a factor?
    Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

    In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

    I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpr View Post
    Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

    In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

    I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.
    Ohh, I was saying the person whose results I posted is a Gheg from Macedonia, I am not familiar enough with Balkan genetics to know how strong Albanians cluster -- ie. do they differ autosomally based on geography/tribe? Are some Albanians mixed? Like do some Albanians have a Slavic, Turkish, Greek, or Italian affinity? So far on most Gedmatch calculators, the number 1 population is showing Tuscan, even with calculators that have an Albanian average. One calculator showed Kosovar as the top population, so I'm not sure how I should help interpret the results for them. Maybe I'll have a Global25 test done for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Ohh, I was saying the person whose results I posted is a Gheg from Macedonia, I am not familiar enough with Balkan genetics to know how strong Albanians cluster -- ie. do they differ autosomally based on geography/tribe? Are some Albanians mixed? Like do some Albanians have a Slavic, Turkish, Greek, or Italian affinity? So far on most Gedmatch calculators, the number 1 population is showing Tuscan, even with calculators that have an Albanian average. One calculator showed Kosovar as the top population, so I'm not sure how I should help interpret the results for them. Maybe I'll have a Global25 test done for them.
    I'm also a Gheg (from Kosova) and also cluster with mainland Greeks. There isn't any historical explanation for why northerner Gheg Albanians would cluster with Mainland Greeks, whereas the Arvanite presence in mainland Greece explains this sufficiently imo. Some of the 19th Century German anthropologists visiting Greece said some things or two about this.

    Even mainstream news has covered it: "However, the data from the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to Albanians than to their brethren in the Greek islands"

    LINK: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/...ages-1.5489323

    Most Albanians cluster with each other before they do with any other group. (highest IBD according to Ralph and Coop). There is negligible differentiation between tribes autosomally.

    Kosovar isn't an ethnicity. 95% of the population of Kosova is Albanian so that Kosovar that showed up is almost certainly just an Albanian.

    The Tuscan thing is actually very interesting and needs to be investigated further to see what historically causes this as I can't think of it personally without resorting to Zecharia Mayani {1} type theories. I also score often close to Tuscans, and many other Albanians do, I am yet to see someone explain this sufficiently.

    If you end up getting the global 25 please post it here, would love to see!

    1. Zecharia Mayani's book Les Etrusques commencent a parler (The Etruscans Begin to Speak) put forth a thesis with reconstructions that the Etruscan language of antiquity had links to the Albanian language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpr View Post
    I'm also a Gheg (from Kosova) and also cluster with mainland Greeks. There isn't any historical explanation for why northerner Gheg Albanians would cluster with Mainland Greeks, whereas the Arvanite presence in mainland Greece explains this sufficiently imo. Some of the 19th Century German anthropologists visiting Greece said some things or two about this.

    Even mainstream news has covered it: "However, the data from the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to Albanians than to their brethren in the Greek islands"

    LINK: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/...ages-1.5489323

    Most Albanians cluster with each other before they do with any other group. (highest IBD according to Ralph and Coop). There is negligible differentiation between tribes autosomally.

    Kosovar isn't an ethnicity. 95% of the population of Kosova is Albanian so that Kosovar that showed up is almost certainly just an Albanian.

    The Tuscan thing is actually very interesting and needs to be investigated further to see what historically causes this as I can't think of it personally without resorting to Zecharia Mayani {1} type theories. I also score often close to Tuscans, and many other Albanians do, I am yet to see someone explain this sufficiently.

    If you end up getting the global 25 please post it here, would love to see!

    1. Zecharia Mayani's book Les Etrusques commencent a parler (The Etruscans Begin to Speak) put forth a thesis with reconstructions that the Etruscan language of antiquity had links to the Albanian language.
    Thank you very much, that was helpful information. I will definitely do the Global25 soon and post it. Have other Albanians done it? It'll be nice to compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Thank you very much, that was helpful information. I will definitely do the Global25 soon and post it. Have other Albanians done it? It'll be nice to compare.
    I'm not sure, I think Dibran might know better than me:

    https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?7372-Dibran

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpr View Post
    Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

    In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

    I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.
    With 23andme's update my mother's only Balkan match is Greece-Likely Match. For me I got Greece-Possible Match. Albania was not detected for either of us now.
    Maternal Grandfather's Y Line: J-ZS1711

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