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    L3x2b - Lack of detection due to armed conflicts?

    If you happen to come across my maternal haplogroup, please share -- I'd greatly appreciate it!

    I've only been able to find 8 instances of L3x2b in the past two and half years.


    L3x2b - Point Distribution Map (July, 2017)


    Shown on Map:
    Algeria
    North Gaza (الشمالخة - غزة)
    Sudan - Darfur (Masalit) *identified in a research paper as L3x2; could be either the basal clade, L3x2b/a or an unidentified subclade*
    Uganda - West Nile Region

    Not shown on Map:
    Spain - Galacia
    Spain - Asturias
    Trinidad and Tobago
    USA (African-American)



    I don't know if there's any merit to this but I thought I'd plot a centroid region to the distribution map which at the moment seems to fall within N/Western Sudan, Southern Libya and N/Eastern Chad -- not exactly the most peaceful regions in recent decades.

    Apart from Africa being generally under-surveyed, I wonder if armed conflicts in the afmd "centroid" region might also be a major factor for L3x2b's lack of detection. It's complete absence in genetic research papers for the region (Sudanese/Ugandan/Chadian etc) makes me wonder if it'll one day be detected at low to moderate levels in an oasis within the proposed centroid region.
    Last edited by Angoliga; 07-24-2017 at 02:35 AM.

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    Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
    Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfuria92 View Post
    Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
    Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins
    That haplogroup is often associated with both Nilotes and Mbuti (East) Pygmies. It's rather old, so you most likely belong to the Nilote branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfuria92 View Post
    Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
    Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins
    See attachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    See attachment.

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    Do you know if the subclade L5c is frequent in Nilotic speakers or in cushites speakers. Is it found in Sudan only or in other parts of the Horn? Does anyone have info about this haplogroup?

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    I have come across an L3x with one on my uncle's 23andMe cousins. The match is Benadiri (a mixed coastal population) from Mogadishu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deftextra View Post
    I have come across an L3x with one on my uncle's 23andMe cousins. The match is Benadiri (a mixed coastal population) from Mogadishu.
    I have noticed from 23andMe relatives that most Somalis with L3x seem to have L3x1, while L3x2 is rare. Mota man (Ancient DNA) was apparently L3x2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa View Post
    Do you know if the subclade L5c is frequent in Nilotic speakers or in cushites speakers. Is it found in Sudan only or in other parts of the Horn? Does anyone have info about this haplogroup?
    Sorry for the late response. I haven't seen any L5 on my 23andMe relatives list of Somalis.

    It could be a Kenya LSA lineage (Late Stone Age) in the case of Rwandans. L5b is potentially Nilote, but I don't think the other ones are (L5a etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angoliga View Post
    If you happen to come across my maternal haplogroup, please share -- I'd greatly appreciate it!

    I've only been able to find 8 instances of L3x2b in the past two and half years.


    L3x2b - Point Distribution Map (July, 2017)


    Shown on Map:
    Algeria
    North Gaza (الشمالخة - غزة)
    Sudan - Darfur (Masalit) *identified in a research paper as L3x2; could be either the basal clade, L3x2b/a or an unidentified subclade*
    Uganda - West Nile Region

    Not shown on Map:
    Spain - Galacia
    Spain - Asturias
    Trinidad and Tobago
    USA (African-American)



    I don't know if there's any merit to this but I thought I'd plot a centroid region to the distribution map which at the moment seems to fall within N/Western Sudan, Southern Libya and N/Eastern Chad -- not exactly the most peaceful regions in recent decades.

    Apart from Africa being generally under-surveyed, I wonder if armed conflicts in the afmd "centroid" region might also be a major factor for L3x2b's lack of detection. It's complete absence in genetic research papers for the region (Sudanese/Ugandan/Chadian etc) makes me wonder if it'll one day be detected at low to moderate levels in an oasis within the proposed centroid region.
    I have seen 2 cases of L3X in Rwanda/Burundi, but I without deeper analysis, it is hard to know if they are L3X2b.

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