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    My living DNA result (Northwestern french)

    I am not surprised by the results since I knew that French DNA was badly recognized by Living DNA!
    A large part goes to the British Isles and the other part to southern Europe.

    If I did this test, it was to know wich British regions, my DNA was the closest.
    So, it is the South of England that comes first, with also a few Irish.
    I expected to see a little more Wales ...

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    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/...g-Complete.png

    Cautious:

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    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Hey Tolan, its nice to see some Breton results on here from LDNA, I always wondered what such a result might be for a Breton, I suppose it might be showing you which areas your Breton ancestors inhabited in Britannia before migrating to Armornica.
    Sort of makes sense really, that most of them would have been from the South of England, I suppose most of the S English now of course are heavily Anglicized, so culturally the link is weak, and the cultural link to wales remains, in language and culture, but it appears the Genetic link to the South of old Britannia remains fairly strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Hey Tolan, its nice to see some Breton results on here from LDNA, I always wondered what such a result might be for a Breton, I suppose it might be showing you which areas your Breton ancestors inhabited in Britannia before migrating to Armornica.
    Sort of makes sense really, that most of them would have been from the South of England, I suppose most of the S English now of course are heavily Anglicized, so culturally the link is weak, and the cultural link to wales remains, in language and culture, but it appears the Genetic link to the South of old Britannia remains fairly strong.
    I think I have almost no Breton ancestors from the British Isles.
    My region of Brittany (very eastern) really stayed away from migrations.
    The link between my ancestors and the British Isles is probably anterior to the Breton migrations.
    And it would be interesting to compare my results with Bretons of the West (Finistériens, costarmoricains).
    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
    The oldest L21 known are I2457 et I2565 from Stonehenge (Beaker Culture, 2400-1900 BC)

    MTDNA: U4c1
    The oldest U4c1 known are "poz224", Yamnaya culture (2882-2698 BC), and 2 Bell-Beaker in Germany (Karsdorf, 2314-2042 BC)

    Paternal MTDNA: K1b2b
    The oldest K1b2 are Eastern European Mesolithic: Kunda Donkalnis5 (Lithuania), 6000 BC and Meso-Ene Lepenski Vir Lepe28 in Serbia, 5900 BC.
    The oldest K1b2b is Alt-3, Corded-Ware Germany (2500 BC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I think I have almost no Breton ancestors from the British Isles.
    My region of Brittany (very eastern) really stayed away from migrations.
    The link between my ancestors and the British Isles is probably anterior to the Breton migrations.
    And it would be interesting to compare my results with Bretons of the West (Finistériens, costarmoricains).
    It could be, as you said earlier, because LivingDNA doesn't have a good French reference population. Only 4.6% French? Doesn't make sense. Perhaps some is encapsulated in the Tuscany and Iberian portion as well.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I think I have almost no Breton ancestors from the British Isles.
    My region of Brittany (very eastern) really stayed away from migrations.
    The link between my ancestors and the British Isles is probably anterior to the Breton migrations.
    And it would be interesting to compare my results with Bretons of the West (Finistériens, costarmoricains).
    I think at the moment it's difficult to pick out what might be Welsh or Irish maybe because of limited testing. I have quite substantial South Welsh and borders ancestry but a significant part of Wales was affected considerably by post- Norman period migration.
    I'm not at all convinced "Cornish" is really Cornish and I wonder about Orkney too. I think maybe regional populations with a similar historical composition are being confused with others to some extent.
    In a way it makes sense that your "British" similarities would be seen mostly in the areas closest to France I would have thought? John

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    I would have expected a higher Cornish percentage, followed by Welsh. I'm very surprised to see that you get more Ireland than many people with actual Irish ancestry

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    I am 25% French Canadian with most of my ancestry from Brittany and Normandy. I also have one line from Auvergne. This is what I get on LDNA "Complete" mode:

    Europe (South) 12.2%
    Tuscany 10.6%
    Iberian Peninsula 1.6%

    Europe (North and West) 5%
    France 5%

    In other modes the France 5% remains and 12.2% is unassigned.
    Y-DNA R-DF23>ZP149>ZP171 MDKA Thomas Doherty, b. 1825, Three Trees, Donegal, Ireland.
    mtDNA T2g1 MDKA Francoise Arguin, b. 1698, Camaret-Sur-Mer, Bretagne, France

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    As I said in another thread I think "Great Britain and Ireland" results are not very reliable as even someone like me (50% South East French from Alps) with no ancestor from Great Britain gets 25% :

    Great Britain and Ireland 25.2%

    East Anglia-related ancestry 20.3%
    Cumbria-related ancestry 3.8%
    South Wales-related ancestry 1.1
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    Quote Originally Posted by rz1706 View Post
    As I said in another thread I think "Great Britain and Ireland" results are not very reliable as even someone like me (50% South East French from Alps)
    Just a thought: East Anglian-related ancestry can be interpreted as Germanic ancestry; though I agree you should have gotten more French, which seems an issue with them, but maybe some of it is from Burgundian tribes?

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