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  1. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    Arabs really seem to have diverse Ys, especially their low frequency lineages.

    I think that the Horn (even excluding Somalis) has less Y diversity than the Egypt/Levant/Arabian Peninsula zone.
    What those Palestinian E-Z813* shows is that the lineage clearly originated in modern Egypt and considering that the E-Y17859 is also Egyptian seems to suggest a late introduction into the Horn from the Northern parts of the Eastern Desert around 4.5k years ago with the lineage that dominates modern Somalis being around 3k year old.

    Archeologists found cattle herding site that was roughly of a similar age (4k ybp):
    The faunal remains confirm the importance of fishing in Neolithic settlements close to Lake Abbé, but also the importance of bovine husbandry and, for the first time in this area, evidence for caprine herding practices. Radiocarbon dating places this occupation at the beginning of the 2nd millennium b.c., similar in range to Asa Koma. These two sites represent the oldest evidence of herding in the region, and they provide a better understanding of the development of Neolithic societies in this region.
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    However, there are great similarities with sites in Ethiopia, northern Kenya, Djibouti and Eritrea. The megalithic traditions of Somaliland could go back to Neolithic times. However, many seem to be from about the second millennium BCE up until recently
    Asiatic (Semitic) tribes did arrive in the Eastern Desert from the Sinai and probably some of those tribes are responsible for E-Z813 in the Southern Levant.For example the E-BY8075* sample is a Sinai Bedouin who just might descend from the Medjay a Northern Eastern Desert nomadic cattle herders who lived around 2000 BCE
    Last edited by drobbah; 04-29-2021 at 01:41 PM.
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

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    Anyone know the origin/clan of the individual from banaadir on y-full (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY192465/?.
    I am likely E-Y18637+, but need to do BigY to confirm and I think there is a strong chance I fall under the same branch as the guy from banaadir.
    Maternal grandmothers father paternal haplogroup: R1a1a (likely R-Y6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deftextra View Post
    Anyone know the origin/clan of the individual from banaadir on y-full (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY192465/?.
    I am likely E-Y18637+, but need to do BigY to confirm and I think there is a strong chance I fall under the same branch as the guy from banaadir.
    Definitely Hawiye as he clusters with other Hawiye subclans based on his strs.Hawiye seem to all belong to E-Y18637 except the Somaliland Hawiye who are T-M70+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deftextra View Post
    Anyone know the origin/clan of the individual from banaadir on y-full (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY192465/?.
    I am likely E-Y18637+, but need to do BigY to confirm and I think there is a strong chance I fall under the same branch as the guy from banaadir.

    What test have you done so far? Ftdna Y37.

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    Yeah Y37 only so far.
    Maternal grandmothers father paternal haplogroup: R1a1a (likely R-Y6).

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    Yfull finally added the dates/tmrcas for the E tree..

    Also the Cole's Burial I8874 sample (3k years old) that someone on this forum claimed was E-Z813+ is actually E-CTS5995*,one of the medieval Nubian E-V32 samples also belonged to this clade
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    Just got a new str match at Y-111 with a genetic distance of 8 from the Hussein Abokor reer Samatar clan (tribe of current SL president), Habar Awal seems to be a solid real clan with a recent forefather just like the Harti (ancient people of Maydh).Interestingly enough this means that Saudi dude is a long lost Sacad Muuse

     
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
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  15. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Nah I found them by going to my subclade's country statistics. We have a total of 4 samples including myself and my fellow Habar Awal who is the only person in my BigY matches page. I guess these two other unknown origin dudes decided to not opt in to matching which sucks. Hopefully they change their mind or decide to upload on yfull
    I think I'm one of them. I forgot I had it previously in private mode but now have changed it to allow matches. I'm Sacad Muse - Jibril Abokor with E-FT385910

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack15 View Post
    I think I'm one of them. I forgot I had it previously in private mode but now have changed it to allow matches. I'm Sacad Muse - Jibril Abokor with E-FT385910
    A fellow JB masha'allah, welcome to the forum brother.It makes me happy to see more Habar Awal taking the test.There's another HA who took the test but he's E-BY75676* which means he is probably neither Sacad Muuse or Cisse Muuse, I wonder if he belongs to those smaller lesser known HA clans.

    Our tmrca is probably between 250 and 400 ybp which aligns with our abtirsi.JB has gone through a bottleneck with the vast majority of us descending from his grandson Cumar.I hope you decide to upload on yfull walaal
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    A fellow JB masha'allah, welcome to the forum brother.It makes me happy to see more Habar Awal taking the test.There's another HA who took the test but he's E-BY75676* which means he is probably neither Sacad Muuse or Cisse Muuse, I wonder if he belongs to those smaller lesser known HA clans.

    Our tmrca is probably between 250 and 400 ybp which aligns with our abtirsi.JB has gone through a bottleneck with the vast majority of us descending from his grandson Cumar.I hope you decide to upload on yfull walaal
    Thanks walaal and yes I plan on on uploading to yfull soon. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this but what you mean by the HA who's E-BY75676* is possibly not SM or CM? Is the addition of the asterisk means it's different than the E-BY75676 which I got as a subclade before E-FT385910?

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