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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    Iím HJ.
    Good to see another HJ E-V32 on here. Are you Muuse Abokor or Maxamed Abokor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavrok View Post
    Good to see another HJ E-V32 on here. Are you Muuse Abokor or Maxamed Abokor?
    I’m Mahamed Abokor walaal.

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    @Megatron; @lavrok; @drobbah;

    Do you guys think it is possible that some Eastern Isaaqs with E-V32 (HYs/HJs?) will end up under E-Y163928* instead of E-BY155996? For example, from the E-Y163928* Dhulbahante person's (YF66563) STRs nobody was able to tell in advance he was related to the E-Y163949 group (didn't have DYS388=13).

    Just throwing out some ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    @Megatron; @lavrok; @drobbah;

    Do you guys think it is possible that some Eastern Isaaqs with E-V32 (HYs/HJs?) will end up under E-Y163928* instead of E-BY155996? For example, from the E-Y163928* Dhulbahante person's (YF66563) STRs nobody was able to tell in advance he was related to the E-Y163949 group (didn't have DYS388=13).

    Just throwing out some ideas.
    The only HJ sample I seen on ftdna looks to be E-BY155996 based on his strs alongside a Kuwaiti sample and so does that Tumaal (blacksmith) individual.The situation your proposing is definitely possible but right now we need the E-V32 HJ samples to take the bigY or at minimum take a str test.

    From what I was told was that the E-V32 Garxajis are Ciidigale (1 sample) and Western HY.So it's highly unlikely they don't fall under E-BY155996

    We also need those Southern E-V32 Dir to take the BigY.If they end up E-Y18637+ then my theory of E-Y18637/T-BY181210 being the original Somali lineages will be highly likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    I’m Mahamed Abokor walaal.
    Thats interesting, I am Muse Abokor btw, it would be great to get more HJ tested as there is hardly any information on distribution of E/T within Samane, Maxamed and Muse Abokor.
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    I matched with E-V32 HJ both Muse and Mahamed Abokor on 23andme and other E-V32 Isaaq. Also I matched with T-L208 Isaaq and E-V22 Isaaq.

    I know one Samane Abokor but I’m not sure if he wants to take a test. Personally I think they will turn out to be E-V32.

    T-L208 seem to be the main lineage in Mahamed Abokor from what I have seen this far but anything is possible. Most E-V32 Mahamed Abokor are Ahmed Farah, the largest sub clan within Mahamed Abokor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    I matched with E-V32 HJ both Muse and Mahamed Abokor on 23andme and other E-V32 Isaaq. Also I matched with T-L208 Isaaq and E-V22 Isaaq.

    I know one Samane Abokor but I’m not sure if he wants to take a test. Personally I think they will turn out to be E-V32.

    T-L208 seem to be the main lineage in Mahamed Abokor from what I have seen this far but anything is possible. Most E-V32 Mahamed Abokor are Ahmed Farah, the largest sub clan within Mahamed Abokor.
    Based on what you seen so far, is E-V32 the dominant lineage of HJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Based on what you seen so far, is E-V32 the dominant lineage of HJ?
    It could be the dominant lineage now that plenty of Ahmed Farah have also tested positive for E-V32. Ahmed Farah is without a doubt the largest sub clan among the Mahamed Abokor HJ and a powerhouse in the city of Burao.

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    Has anyone seen results from the following clans: Geri,Bartire,Abaskuul & Yabarre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    E-FT18121 only has three branches.My current theory is that E-Y18637 is associated with the mythical Samaale Somali speaking camel herders and their expansion all over Somaliweyn.

    E-BY155996 represents the urbanized non-Somali population of Western Somaliland.I think the Isaaq clan was an assimilation process between the dominant Somali nomads (Mostly T carrying Dir from Sanaag) with the farming and merchant locals after the collapse of the medieval state of Adal.While the artisinal castes were subjugated under a caste system.Sada Miire has interesting theory that Yibir for example is actually an Ethio-Semitic word for tax collecting.

    E-Y163928 would represent the urban population possibly non-Somali population of Sanaag who were Somalianized.The fact that Daarood always had the tradition they weren't Samaale and the story of marrying a wife of Dir imo seems to suggest they were Somalianized by E-BY8081 and local T lineages.I think someone here posted about a village of Ogaden men in Ethiopia who were majority T-M70+

    Some Somali clans by the time of the Futuh were living within the Sultanate of Adal but the vast majority didn't.Some of the clans that lived there are Gerri Koombe (Daarood),Yabarre (Daarood),Habar Maqdi (possibly Samarone),Habar Magaadle (HA,Gx,Arab & Ayuub).Mareexaan lived on the periphery and so did the Harti (people of Maydh).When the Marexaan killed the Adalite messenger he fled to what the chronicler called the land of the Somalis where the Hawiye lived.The incursions of these clans into the territory of the Sultanate Western & Central Somaliland & Hawd was probably when the nomads ultimately became Muslims imo (13th century)


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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Has anyone seen results from the following clans: Geri,Bartire,Abaskuul & Yabarre?

    No. I have not seen them. Thousands of Somalis have taken basic 23andme tests, especially the Somali Diaspora. The problem is they don't make it Public.

    Now, i almost have 600 relatives 90% of them Somalis, but they rarely put up their Clan information.

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