Somalis and E-Y17859

[Atlas]

I think I may know a possible E-V22 HY individual and I've just messaged him to confirm his subclan. He is, so far, the only E-V22 relative that I know of.

Edit: His subclan is actually Arap.

[drobbah]

What the Harari manuscript confirms is that the Imam was the maternal uncle of Habar Magaadle, that Imam Ahmed and the Habar Magaadle commander Ahmed Guray were conflated into one character and that Habar Magaadle are also affiliated with the Walashma dynasty.

The Futuh Al Habasha did a good job of commenting about the blood-relations with the Imam.For example Geri Koombe's leader was married to the sister of the Imam.It didn't once mention that the Habar Magaadle chief was his nephew.Perhaps this was info not known to Shihabudiin (Arab Faqih), who knows!

The Imam could very well be Beja. I’ve read somewhere that he was of mixed Beja/Arab origin.

He's Beja (Balaw) according to the Futuh and came from a place north of Tigre.I wouldn't be surprised if the Imam was an E-V32 carrier considering how prevalent this haplogroup is among the modern Beja & Tigre.

I think all the Isaac E-V32 will belong to the same subclade just like their HG-T Isaac counterparts. One of the HY E-V32 is from the Ali Said subclan and they live in the middle of HY from Adaadley, Oodweyne, Ga’an Libah to Burao in central Somaliland. It’s impossible that it was acquired through assimilation from another non Isaac clan. Hopefully the BigY will shed light on this inshallah. It would also be interesting to know if Arap are predominantly E-V22. Then we have E-V16 found in some Ethiopians and Yemenis/Saudis. It would be interesting to know if the Sanbur brother belong to a Somali specific clade or Ethio, Yemeni/Saudi one.

If Western HY are getting minor E-V32 then it's probably the Isaaq/local variant of the region, you have to remember also an Ashraaf individual in the South also carries it aswell.E-V16 Saudis/Yemenis are just descendants of Horners and is an indigenous pre-Cushitic haplogroup of the Horn, the Sanbuurs male ancestors were survivors lol. Hopefully that E-V16 individual also takes the BigY alongside the other Isaaqs.The Dir E-V32 also need to take the BigY in order to get a better picture as their probable E-BY155996 subclade is currently 3000-2700 years old,

[Megatron]

The Futuh Al Habasha did a good job of commenting about the blood-relations with the Imam.For example Geri Koombe's leader was married to the sister of the Imam.It didn't once mention that the Habar Magaadle chief was his nephew.Perhaps this was info not known to Shihabudiin (Arab Faqih), who knows!


He's Beja (Balaw) according to the Futuh and came from a place north of Tigre.I wouldn't be surprised if the Imam was an E-V32 carrier considering how prevalent this haplogroup is among the modern Beja & Tigre.


If Western HY are getting minor E-V32 then it's probably the Isaaq/local variant of the region, you have to remember also an Ashraaf individual in the South also carries it aswell.E-V16 Saudis/Yemenis are just descendants of Horners and is an indigenous pre-Cushitic haplogroup of the Horn, the Sanbuurs male ancestors were survivors lol. Hopefully that E-V16 individual also takes the BigY alongside the other Isaaqs.The Dir E-V32 also need to take the BigY in order to get a better picture as their probable E-BY155996 subclade is currently 3000-2700 years old,

The additional info describing the relation between the Imam and Habar Magadle is not from the Futuh, it’s based on old Harari (BaAlawi) manuscripts.

E-V16 is associated with the indigenous hunter gatherers of the Horn and we know that they crossed the Bab el-Mandeb strait in prehistoric times. What if the Sanbur acquired the lineage through a recent back migration?

BTW, I have a Magadle relative that I want to test.

[farjanomar]

How much is Futah al habash book? I want buy it, what is fair price. Amazon says A-Hard Cover $70-80, B-Paper bag $30-35.

[Megatron]

How much is Futah al habash book? I want buy it, what is fair price. Amazon says A-Hard Cover $70-80, B-Paper bag $30-35.

It’s a good investment if you’re interested in Somali history and the history of the greater Horn.

[NetNomad]

Noticed age data is only lacking for the E tree, maybe because it is now one of the biggest trees they got?

https://www.yfull.com/tree-build-stats/

[drobbah]

Noticed age data is only lacking for the E tree, maybe because it is now one of the biggest trees they got?

https://www.yfull.com/tree-build-stats/

Yfull responded on their site and said it will be fixed by next update.

 

About the ages of Hg E and some other subclades

In the last update of the YTree, an error occurred with calculating the Hg E age. We have removed the age display under Hg E for now. We have also removed the ages for individual branches such as: N-CTS142, R-YP469, O-F940, O-F16340, R-YP6213, O-Y206520, R-YP1210, N-Y23789, O-L682, Q-BZ2727, R-YP4364, N-CTS7324, R-YP1509, R-YP4932, R-YP5636, O-A16615, A-L981, R-YP1086, R-CTS1055, A-L1070, G-GG272, R-YP5512, R-YP1704, A-L1289, D-M64.1, C-M347, G-GG313, G-GG285, G-FGC12126, H-Z5868, H-Z14686, I-L1287, I-Y33719, J-ZS11633, J-Y22038, J-M339, J-Y108475, Q-BZ29, Q-L456, Q-B37, Q-B38, R-YP621, R-FT405055, R-YP5227, R-PF7536, R-S3238, R-S5168, R-YP5700, R-YP5725, R-Z193, R-PF6693, R-S1333, R-ZP21, R-L148, N-Y23747, O-F316. We think and hope that we will be able to completely fix this error and prevent a similar future only by the next update. Thanks for your patience and support.

Best regards, YFull Team

[drobbah]

Just seen a Somali E-L677 and an Isaaq reer Hargeisa E-M78*.Don't know which subclan he belongs to but based on his grandparents birthplaces his either Habar Awal (Cisse Muuse),Garxajis (probably HY) or Arap

Also found an E-M183 (Berber origin) Somali who has traces amount of Arab Peninsular and Indian ancestry

[drobbah]

The E-M78* dude is Arap from Hargeisa.

[Megatron]

Just seen a Somali E-L677 and an Isaaq reer Hargeisa E-M78*.Don't know which subclan he belongs to but based on his grandparents birthplaces his either Habar Awal (Cisse Muuse),Garxajis (probably HY) or Arap

Also found an E-M183 (Berber origin) Somali who has traces amount of Arab Peninsular and Indian ancestry

Do you know if the E-L677 individual is a northerner or from the northern parts of the Somali region of Ethiopia? Plenty of E-L677 results among the Arap (Isaac).