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Thread: Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanenas View Post
    Egypt has complex history too, with an early prescence of non-natives etc., even 'Minoan' frescoes in Avaris. We don't even know what was the autosomal profile of Egyptians proper.
    But I said the myth may imply a movement from the Levant, with something like a back migration or them being Anatolian speakers being theoretically possible.
    From every run I've seen of Mycenean samples all are pretty much ENF, Steppe, CHG shifted. Absolutely "no" evidence of SSA.

    0.03012720 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    0.03778500 BGR_Krepost_N
    0.03830818 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
    0.04095196 BGR_IA
    0.04901318 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
    0.04906250 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    0.04980853 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
    0.05054249 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
    0.05060511 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
    0.05080741 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
    0.05175229 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
    0.05287602 TUR_Kumtepe_N
    0.05364110 DEU_MA_o
    0.05474241 IND_Roopkund_B
    0.05476558 ITA_Sardinia_IA
    0.05533318 ITA_Sicily_MBA
    0.05540728 TUR_Isparta_EBA
    0.05545855 ITA_Sicily_LBA
    0.05578026 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
    0.05646456 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    0.05671803 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.05710413 ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance
    0.05793144 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
    0.05994004 TUR_Ovaoren_EBA
    0.06014222 TUR_Barcin_C

    Distance: 0.7968% / 0.00796807
    18.6 HUN_Koros_N
    14.4 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
    10.2 GRC_N
    8.2 SRB_N
    7.8 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
    7.4 CHE_FN_steppe
    7.2 Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent
    6.4 TUR_Kumtepe_N
    5.8 UKR_Cimmerian_o
    4.2 BGR_Krepost_N
    2.8 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    2.2 Scotland_N_o
    1.6 TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
    1.2 DEU_LBK_KD
    1.0 BWA_Taukome_1100BP
    0.6 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res
    0.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    And here is the sanity check. In this simple qpAdm model, Mota (ETH_4500BP) ancestry in Mycenaeans is practically zero.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uvF...ew?usp=sharing

    Kale's f3-based model showing significant Mota admix is probably due to a combo of ancient DNA damage and overfitting.
    Allsnps: YES tends to deflate African ancestry unrealistically (I jump from 45% Levantine to 47-48%). Can you try including Israel_C in the Outgroups and using Egypt_ThirdInt: JK2911 instead of Mota with Allsnps: NO.

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    hello
    i think caspian was on Y DNA E-L19 and some sure E-M78
    what do you think

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