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    Z367 positive

    I am down to being positive for R1b>Z367 at YSEQ and they are still working down to my terminal haplogroup. Does anybody know the history on Z367? thanks

    Adam R. St. Pierre

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    Hi Adam!

    Welcome in my haplogroup neighborhood :-)

    The place to start is always the Eupedia article on R-M343.
    Long but well worth reading!

    I think these maps from the FTDNA U152-project are also quite interesting:
    Map of most distant known paternal ancestor of all R-L2 testers (just above Z367)
    Map of most distant known paternal ancestor of all R-Z367 testers
    The last one seems to show a distribution from the original Celtic areas just North of the Alps, following the Rhine to Scotland.

    There is always the Yfull tree of Z367.
    I hope to see you there one day, if you do a BigY (currently on sale for just 395 USD)

    Now I am just interested to hear if you test BY3604 - then we have a lot more to talk about ;-)

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    Anders, Denmark

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    positive for Z259

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    Getting closer to me ;-)

    Z259 is also called R-Z34: http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=1204
    I am "Nielsen" by the way :-)

    There is also a R-Z34 map from the FTDNA U152 project.
    My "dot" is in Southern Sweden

    Yfull tree of R-Z34.

    Kind regards
    Anders
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    Do we know if our line is a Celtic or more Scandinavian Vikings line? My family was very prominent in Normandy France from atleast 1200-1665 when my grandfather immigrated to Canada, a branch of the family also settled in Cheshire, England and was called the Bunbury family.

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    It is Celtic beyond doubt!
    The line goes R-M343 > M269 > P312 > U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34, where U152 and L2 are THE celtic haplogroups.

    It is always good to read the Eupedia article on R-M343!
    There is also a good U152 Facebook group.

    Taking a haplogroup panel at Yseq is the cheapest way to go deep down the haplotree, but to get right to the end, one must take a BigY, which is currently on offer at FTDNA at "only" 395 USD. A follow-up analyses at Yfull (49 USD) is a must. Did you consider that?
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    I am when I have the xtra $, does a BigY give just haplogroup info?

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    Well, BigY will give you the most detailed haplogroup that is possible.
    But it will also give you all the mutations (SNPs) that only you have "below" that final haplogroup - they are called "private SNPs" or "novel SNPs".
    When somebody else tests BigY and also turns out to have one of your private SNPs, this SNP is turned into a new haplogroup and you "loose" that SNP as a private SNP.

    If you BigY tested yourself AND a brother or father, you would most probably end up with no private SNPs and a public haplogroup containing just you and your brother/father - unless one of you by chance had a private SNP that the other one did not have!

    SNP panels are just testing the known branches (tests the roads that are already on the map) - BigY explores the unexplored (finds the new roads for other to follow).
    So BigY (or other NGS testing) is how haplogroups are created - if nobody took BigY, we would not have a very detailed haplotree (not many roads on the map).

    Any new results from Yseq yet - are you getting further down the haplotree?
    I am very curious - and if you end up in BY3604 I will be on your neck to convince you to do BigY ;-)
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    they are processing BY3604 and PF7623 for 2 days now so I should know by tomorrow and i'll let you know

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