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    dorkymoon which is another romanian from this forum score 10%-11% whg
    so for me it is wierd you don't score any?

    another thing romanian results usually have higher east european farmer than west european farmer
    you score 40% with this living dna raw data comparable in % to basques
    so the only explanation is that you have whg that are hiding in the west european farmer since you score huge % of it
    and kurd used chl iberians who have 20-25% whg admixture.
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    Thanks for your comments.
    The balance between Eastern and Western European Farmer might have shifted somewhat with a different data source, but high-ish Western European Farmer for someone with Romanian (half of it Transylvanian) as well as Austrian and some Slovak ancestry might not be all that odd. aDNA studies support a common origin for LBK farmers of central and western Europe and Iberian farmers. (Olalde et al. 2015. A Common Genetic Origin for Early Farmers from Mediterranean Cardial and Central European LBK Cultures.) LBK culture included Austria. Its influence stretched into Slovakia and western Romania. We need aDNA, but judging from material evidence of artifacts and exchange of resources, there was significant interaction between LBK and Zau, Petresti, and other Neolithic cultures of Transylvania (Virag. 2015. NEOLITHIC CULTURAL PHENOMENA IN THE UPPER TISA BASIN).
    No doubt about it, the K12 Ancient Calculator is interesting.

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    Of interest for interpreting K12 Ancient results if you have Yamnaya (Samara) ancestry.
    See “Another look at the genetic structure of Yamnaya” (Jan. 17 2018).
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    Of interest for interpreting K12 Ancient results if you have Yamnaya (Samara) ancestry.
    See “Another look at the genetic structure of Yamnaya” (Jan. 17 2018).
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au
    In any case Yamanja is closer to European and siberian Hunter gatheer than to CHG
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    Scytho-sarmatian.

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    Sure, the K12 can be much improved with additional Asian aDNA
    "SOUTHEAST EURASIAN
    Jarawan tribals from the Andaman Islands, South Indian tribals, Brunei tribals, and Burmese populations comprise the references for this cluster. This cluster may also possibly be interpreted as a hybrid of the infamous Ancestral South Indians who were decendants of the first peoples that colonized India thousands of years ago, believed to be somewhat similar to the modern Onge and Jarawan tribals of the Andaman Islands, and SE Asians."


    Do you know which South Indian tribes were used for the reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
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    Hey Kurd,

    Any new upcoming calculators for geneplaza that you're working on? Quite enjoy your calcs.

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    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
    MyOrigins2.0: 100% Southeast European
    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    I must say, I enjoyed this calculator.

    As some have pointed out, WHG is included in the Farmer component. One might ask, should one not expect some of the steppe samples to include some Farmer ancestry? Srubnaya and Andronovo had Anatolian ancestry according to, say, Unterländer et al. 2017. “Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe. Nature Communications. Supplement. Fig. 14.
    And outside academic publications, discussion on “Eurogenes” has suggested Yamnaya had a bit of Anatolian ancestry coming from EEF.

    I certainly would look forward to a new version of this or a similar calculator using some samples from SE Europe from Mathieson et al. 2017….eventually.

    In any case, here is yet one more result.
    All Romanian ancestry, except the following: an Austrian great-grandparent, a Slovak 2xgreat-grandparent; a Lithuanian 3xgreat-grandparent, and a Greek 3xgreat-grandparent—I find this kind of information helps to assess test outcomes.

    Ancient Farmers: 70.7%
    West European Farmers: 40.7%
    Levant: 4.6%
    Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran-CHG: 5.2%
    East European Farmers: 20.2%

    Steppe Cultures: 26.5%
    Karasuk-E.Scythian: 3.9%
    Andronovo-Srubnaya: 11.3%
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka: 11.3%

    African: 1.9%
    Eastern Non Africans (modern): 0.9%

    Western European & Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers: 0%

    Southeast Eurasian: 0%

    The result is based on Living DNA data, which, I am aware, is not optimal for this test. Even with a different data source, I would still anticipate the Farmer component to be at least in the 60s and the Steppe component to remain under 30%.
    Nice results and welcome to the forum.

    Here are mine for comparison (23andme v4):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Hey Kurd,

    Any new upcoming calculators for geneplaza that you're working on? Quite enjoy your calcs.

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    I’m working on a couple of projects. One is a low K continental calculator the other is a genetic similarity based on some software I’ve put together. Users will be able to get a similarity score to various test samples. One of these should be available next month
    EurasianDNA.com - A study of the population history of West & South Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jartan View Post
    "SOUTHEAST EURASIAN
    Jarawan tribals from the Andaman Islands, South Indian tribals, Brunei tribals, and Burmese populations comprise the references for this cluster. This cluster may also possibly be interpreted as a hybrid of the infamous Ancestral South Indians who were decendants of the first peoples that colonized India thousands of years ago, believed to be somewhat similar to the modern Onge and Jarawan tribals of the Andaman Islands, and SE Asians."


    Do you know which South Indian tribes were used for the reference?
    I will get back to you tonight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I’m working on a couple of projects. One is a low K continental calculator the other is a genetic similarity based on some software I’ve put together. Users will be able to get a similarity score to various test samples. One of these should be available next month
    Did you publish your study yet?
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