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    Horn of Africa & Berber genetic connections?

    Are there any genetic relations between those people besides e1b1b?

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    Y dna J1, mtdna M1 and U6, paleolithic Eurasian back-migrations, little to no Ancient North Eurasian ancestry (and other post-neolithic Eurasian influence, apart from ethiosemites). It also applies to Egyptians (minus ANE/West Asian influence).
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    The(North)East African and the Red Sea autosomal components .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignis90 View Post
    Y dna J1, mtdna M1 and U6, paleolithic Eurasian back-migrations, little to no Ancient North Eurasian ancestry (and other post-neolithic Eurasian influence, apart from ethiosemites). It also applies to Egyptians (minus ANE/West Asian influence).
    1. Paleothic eurasian back migration? How much of it share Berbers, Egyptians and people from the Horn of Africa? I mean how much common admixture? Can you link me a study?

    2. How high is the ANE in Berbers and people from the Horn of Africa? Can you link me a study?

    3.Did U6 migrate from Northwestafrica to Eastafrica?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellaritic View Post
    The(North)East African and the Red Sea autosomal components .
    Thanks. Can you link me a study please?
    What exactly is Red sea component?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignis90 View Post
    Y dna J1, mtdna M1 and U6, paleolithic Eurasian back-migrations, little to no Ancient North Eurasian ancestry (and other post-neolithic Eurasian influence, apart from ethiosemites). It also applies to Egyptians (minus ANE/West Asian influence).
    How about Y-DNA T? From what I have read, based on modern samples, basal T varieties have been absent in the Horn of Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    How about Y-DNA T? From what I have read, based on modern samples, basal T varieties have been absent in the Horn of Africa.
    What are basal T variants? Isn't T common in the Horn of Africa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by #YoloSwag View Post
    What are basal T variants? Isn't T common in the Horn of Africa?
    Basal varieties of any haplogroup are those that are near the root of the haplogroup, as compared to more downstream and derived forms. From my understanding, from the available data, the varieties of Y-DNA T in the Horn of Africa have been of the latter variety.

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    [A]lmost all of M70* chromosomes surveyed here are found in the Near East, and the two main subclades (T1a and T1b) also predominate in this area. Finally, the internal structure of the T clade, with the single T* sample coming from Syria, provides evidence that the most basal haplogroup T branch is present in the Near East.
    Increased resolution of Y chromosome haplogroup T defines relationships among populations of the Near East, Europe, and Africa.

    Mendez et al. (2011)
    Last edited by Humanist; 07-08-2014 at 09:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #YoloSwag View Post
    What are basal T variants? Isn't T common in the Horn of Africa?
    it is common there, but T arrived in africa only in recent times ( less than 1500 years ago ) along with J1. The paper below is a good read. It explains why the "babylonian" J1 and the "persian" T1 went to east-africa and madagscar .....it was for slaves

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0080932

    Haplogroup J1 is predominant in Middle East, and also very frequent in North and Northeast Africa, Europe, India and Pakistan [42][64][65]. The T1 haplogroup, found at very low frequency in the world, seems to have a Southwestern Asia origin and to be associated with many demographic processes such as the spread of agriculture, the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles and the Jewish Diaspora [49]. Its presence in eastern Asia could be due to commercial and cultural exchanges via the former Silk Road [50]. .................................................. ............................................ The Median-Joining network for T1 haplotypes links these lineages to Israel, Lebanon and Palestine. These results are also consistent with the low FST values between Anteony and Antalaotra and populations from Middle East/Southwest Asia. The combination of these two lineages (J1 and T1) tends to converge to an origin in the Persian Gulf or Middle East.



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    ^^ I still think that J1 & T were both involved in the spread of Afroasiatic, at least since one of its early stages.
    The Fregel et al paper which documented the presence of J1 in pre-hispanic guanches, along with the Plaster study on the Horn favour such a scenario.
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