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    Compare your Livingdna YDNA haplogroup with 23andme, Ftdna, and Geno 2.0.

    Are results similar, better, or completely different?

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    For me the Living DNA results were much more downstream than 23andme, and FTDNA Y37 STR, did not do Geno 2.0
    However with FTDNA, it allows you the option of digging into your YDNA far deeper with the BigY Test, but this costs allot of money, also the said test gives you YDNA Matches at STR and SNP levels.
    So on a Basic out of the Box level the LivingDNA did a very good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlazedNugguts View Post
    Are results similar, better, or completely different?
    Those are all moving targets, for example see the discussions about 23andme v5 Y SNPs which look relatively detailed. Similarly I don't think we have seen the full details of what you can get with Geno 2/Helix etc. I am pretty confident that the YSEQ panels,which you didn't list, will trump LDNA.
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    When I checked I didn't have v5, I still have v4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlazedNugguts View Post
    When I checked I didn't have v5, I still have v4.
    You will have v4 until there is an option to upgrade and you purchase the upgrade. 23andme doesn't even know when the upgrade will be available or how it will be rolled out.

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    23andme: L-M22. That's an 18,600 year old SNP. That's as near as that test gets it. Stuck in the Upper Palaeolithic.

    I expected a little more from Living DNA. However, after I complained that they somehow gave me a totally incorrect sub clade of L1a (I'm L1b2c), they back tracked to same as 23. L-M22!

    FtDNA I've tested all the way to Big Y, and had further analysis of the BAM by FGC and YFull. They follow it through L M20, M22, M317, SK1412, SK1414, to L- FGC51036.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlazedNugguts View Post
    Compare your Livingdna YDNA haplogroup with 23andme, Ftdna, and Geno 2.0.

    Are results similar, better, or completely different?
    The differences between each will depend a lot on the haplogroup and subclade that each person is in. 23andme v2-v4 used an extremely limited list of SNPs in their test. Geno 2.0 used a larger number of SNPs but still a limited list and when the results are transferred to FTDNA there isn't a list of negative SNPs. There is a csv file with results that can then be compared with databases of SNPs but you have to know how to do that. LivingDNA in some cases includes more SNPs than 23andme v2-v4 and Geno 2.0 but not always ant they do not provide a list of all positive and all negative SNPs. You can email them then get a list of negative SNPs below your subclade but that is it. 23andme v5 is similar to Geno 2.0 and LivingDNA in the SNPs included but still differs in certain SNPs. 23andme v5 includes a list of positive and negatives SNPs in the raw data.

    FTDNA has SNP packs which are cheaper than BigY and in most cases include a lot more SNPs than LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, and any of the versions of 23andme. So although LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, or 23andme v5 are similar and less expensive than an STR test + SNP packs at FTDNA they aren't anywhere as good as FTDNA SNP packs.

    FTDNA BigY is a lot more expensive than a couple of FTDNA packs but BigY tests for novel and private SNPs. None of the other tests mentioned can do that.

    Maybe if you told us which haplogroup and subclade you are interested in we can give you a more informative list of possible results from each of the tests that you are inquiring about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    For me the Living DNA results were much more downstream than 23andme, and FTDNA Y37 STR, did not do Geno 2.0
    However with FTDNA, it allows you the option of digging into your YDNA far deeper with the BigY Test, but this costs allot of money, also the said test gives you YDNA Matches at STR and SNP levels.
    So on a Basic out of the Box level the LivingDNA did a very good job.
    Just a head's up. 23andme v5 includes Z283. So now 23andme and LivingDNA are equal in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    23andme: L-M22. That's an 18,600 year old SNP. That's as near as that test gets it. Stuck in the Upper Palaeolithic.

    I expected a little more from Living DNA. However, after I complained that they somehow gave me a totally incorrect sub clade of L1a (I'm L1b2c), they back tracked to same as 23. L-M22!

    FtDNA I've tested all the way to Big Y, and had further analysis of the BAM by FGC and YFull. They follow it through L M20, M22, M317, SK1412, SK1414, to L- FGC51036.
    23andme v5 now includes M317 so only slightly better now than LivingDNA and 23andme v4.

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    Actually the V4 had it on haplogroup explorer. For some reason they ignored it on the change to the new experience.

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