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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    What are your oracle results? So far it seems that you're levantine.
    Eurogenes k13
    1 Lebanese_Christian 4.42
    2 Lebanese_Muslim 5.46
    3 Samaritan 6.12
    4 Lebanese_Druze 7.49
    5 Cyprian 7.74
    6 Syrian 7.75

    I am a Maronite(An ethno-religious Eastern Catholic group) situated mainly in North and central Lebanon with small presence in the south too. So Lebanese Christian makes perfect sense.

    MDLP k16 Modern is interesting, here are my results

    1 Caucasian 49.79
    2 Neolithic 17.92
    3 NearEast 14.48
    4 Steppe 8.21
    5 Indian 5.2
    6 NorthAfrican 3.28
    7 EastAfrican 0.94
    8 Australian 0.18

    Oracle Popualtions
    1 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.41
    2 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 4.57
    3 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 5.54
    4 Armenian (Lebanon) 6.41
    5 Cypriot (Cyprus) 6.42
    6 Jew (Georgia) 6.55
    7 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.69
    8 Assyrian (Iran) 6.81
    9 Samaritan (Israel) 6.95

    MDLP World

    Middle_East 34.06
    2 Caucaus_Parsia 31.92
    3 South_and_West_European 29.52
    4 Indian 2.01
    5 Sub_Saharian 1.19
    6 North_and_East_European 1.05
    7 Mesoamerican 0.24

    1 Jew_Syria 4.66
    2 Druze 4.82
    3 Lebanese 5.2
    4 Cypriot 7.79
    5 Jew_Georgia 8.36
    6 Syrian 8.78

    What honestly strikes me in every autosomal test regardless of the population is the high amount of "West Asia" and/or Caucuses regions. Not much(correct me if i'm wrong") has been written on a Caucasian or similar groups movements into the Lebanon area. I always thought I would be a mix of "Semite" and Mediterranean components. But perhaps im reading everything wrong so I dont know haha. I am still very new to all of this stuff
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 43.89
    2 West_Asian 22.79
    3 West_Med 14.57
    4 Red_Sea 10.74
    5 North_Atlantic 4.22
    6 Northeast_African 1.47
    7 South_Asian 1.39
    8 Oceanian 0.43
    9 East_Asian 0.36
    10 Siberian 0.12

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lebanese_Muslim 4.16
    2 Lebanese_Christian 4.58
    3 Samaritan 5.79
    4 Lebanese_Druze 5.97
    5 Syrian 6.94
    6 Cyprian 7.04
    7 Kurdish_Jewish 8.72
    8 Palestinian 9.08
    9 Iranian_Jewish 9.46
    10 Jordanian 9.52
    11 Assyrian 10.74
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.87
    13 Libyan_Jewish 13.62
    14 Georgian_Jewish 14.5
    15 Bedouin 15.25
    16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.29
    17 Italian_Jewish 16.7
    18 Algerian_Jewish 16.77
    19 Turkish 16.9
    20 Armenian 16.98

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 47.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.76
    2 80.6% Lebanese_Christian + 19.4% Turkish @ 2.14
    3 91.2% Lebanese_Christian + 8.8% Tabassaran @ 2.34
    4 83.9% Lebanese_Christian + 16.1% Azeri @ 2.44
    5 90.4% Lebanese_Christian + 9.6% Ossetian @ 2.47
    6 90.9% Lebanese_Christian + 9.1% Chechen @ 2.49
    7 91% Lebanese_Christian + 9% Lezgin @ 2.5
    8 62% Lebanese_Muslim + 38% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.51
    9 89.3% Lebanese_Christian + 10.7% Kumyk @ 2.57
    10 76.5% Samaritan + 23.5% Armenian @ 2.63
    11 90.4% Lebanese_Christian + 9.6% Balkar @ 2.63
    12 90.3% Lebanese_Christian + 9.7% Adygei @ 2.66
    13 91.8% Lebanese_Christian + 8.2% Tadjik @ 2.66
    14 90.8% Lebanese_Christian + 9.2% Kabardin @ 2.67
    15 90.9% Lebanese_Christian + 9.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.69
    16 67% Samaritan + 33% Assyrian @ 2.7
    17 85.7% Lebanese_Christian + 14.3% Kurdish @ 2.71
    18 92.5% Lebanese_Christian + 7.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.75
    19 82.3% Lebanese_Christian + 17.7% Armenian @ 2.82
    20 89.6% Lebanese_Christian + 10.4% Turkmen @ 2.85

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.950181


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.950181


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.650709
    2 Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritan @ 1.685691
    3 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.775485
    4 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Muslim + Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.825164
    5 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.891994
    6 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.931044
    7 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.948981
    8 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Muslim + Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.950181
    9 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.960862
    10 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.961690
    11 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.963213
    12 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish @ 1.984421
    13 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.006937
    14 Cyprian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritan @ 2.061566
    15 Assyrian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Palestinian @ 2.074884
    16 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.098066
    17 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.099674
    18 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Libyan_Jewish @ 2.130656
    19 Assyrian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritan @ 2.131911
    20 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.136150
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    @Dewsloth, where can I find k36 Ancient? Is it a calculator on Gedmatch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Anyone who has general Middle eastern origins please post your results here from Gedmatch. Of course anyone can post but I haven't seen to many Middle Eastern results


    Eurogenes K36

    Arabian 9.57
    Armenian 8.36
    East_Med 38.40
    Italian 10.30
    Near_Eastern 17.60
    North_Caucasian 7.50
    South_Central_Asian 1.42
    West_Caucasian 2.57
    West_Med 4.25
    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Mom K36 plus ancient nMonte:

    Mom:
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    Arabian 9.86
    Armenian 9.04
    Basque 0.73
    Central_Euro 0.47
    East_Med 31.51
    Italian 7.31
    Near_Eastern 22.50
    North_African 1.52
    North_Caucasian 9.49
    South_Central_Asian 0.78
    West_Caucasian 2.98
    West_Med 3.80
    Looks about right.


    Edit: Full Disclosure -- one of my Great-Great-Grandfathers on that side was probably Armenian, or at least part Armenian.
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 08-25-2017 at 11:09 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Eurogenes k13
    1 Lebanese_Christian 4.42
    2 Lebanese_Muslim 5.46
    3 Samaritan 6.12
    4 Lebanese_Druze 7.49
    5 Cyprian 7.74
    6 Syrian 7.75

    I am a Maronite(An ethno-religious Eastern Catholic group) situated mainly in North and central Lebanon with small presence in the south too. So Lebanese Christian makes perfect sense.

    MDLP k16 Modern is interesting, here are my results

    1 Caucasian 49.79
    2 Neolithic 17.92
    3 NearEast 14.48
    4 Steppe 8.21
    5 Indian 5.2
    6 NorthAfrican 3.28
    7 EastAfrican 0.94
    8 Australian 0.18

    Oracle Popualtions
    1 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.41
    2 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 4.57
    3 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 5.54
    4 Armenian (Lebanon) 6.41
    5 Cypriot (Cyprus) 6.42
    6 Jew (Georgia) 6.55
    7 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.69
    8 Assyrian (Iran) 6.81
    9 Samaritan (Israel) 6.95

    MDLP World

    Middle_East 34.06
    2 Caucaus_Parsia 31.92
    3 South_and_West_European 29.52
    4 Indian 2.01
    5 Sub_Saharian 1.19
    6 North_and_East_European 1.05
    7 Mesoamerican 0.24

    1 Jew_Syria 4.66
    2 Druze 4.82
    3 Lebanese 5.2
    4 Cypriot 7.79
    5 Jew_Georgia 8.36
    6 Syrian 8.78

    What honestly strikes me in every autosomal test regardless of the population is the high amount of "West Asia" and/or Caucuses regions. Not much(correct me if i'm wrong") has been written on a Caucasian or similar groups movements into the Lebanon area. I always thought I would be a mix of "Semite" and Mediterranean components. But perhaps im reading everything wrong so I dont know haha. I am still very new to all of this stuff
    Can you post your Eurogenes k12b results? I like that test for its separation of the Caucasus from surrounding areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex n Harmony View Post
    Can you post your Eurogenes k12b results? I like that test for its separation of the Caucasus from surrounding areas.
    Here is Mom's for comparison:

    Population
    Western European 3.90
    Siberian -
    East African 2.49
    West Central Asian 9.94
    South Asian 0.85
    West African -
    Caucasus 33.07
    Finnish -
    Mediterranean 27.40
    Southwest Asian 22.34
    North European -
    East Asian -
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Just found this thread (below), in which users infinitely more well read than I explain that there's shared ancestry between present-day Caucasians and present-day Middle Easterners. In other words, it's expected that a Caucasian-like component would appear in the results of Middle Easterners, but it's merely reflective of shared ancestry.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...bian-peninsula

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex n Harmony View Post
    Just found this thread (below), in which users infinitely more well read than I explain that there's shared ancestry between present-day Caucasians and present-day Middle Easterners. In other words, it's expected that a Caucasian-like component would appear in the results of Middle Easterners, but it's merely reflective of shared ancestry.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...bian-peninsula
    Probably the same thing in reverse for Europeans?
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    Population
    North_Atlantic 30.03
    Baltic 9.20
    West_Med 13.43
    West_Asian 12.34
    East_Med 26.64
    Red_Sea 5.28
    South_Asian 0.12
    East_Asian 0.56
    Siberian 1.02
    Amerindian 0.13
    Oceanian 0.32
    Northeast_African 0.93
    Sub-Saharan -

    K36

    Amerindian -
    Arabian 8.21
    Armenian 4.56
    Basque 0.47
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 4.63
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 8.93
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian 6.06
    French 1.03
    Iberian 13.67
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 13.74
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 13.37
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 8.13
    North_Caucasian 6.30
    North_Sea 8.99
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 0.48
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 1.44

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Eurogenes k13
    1 Lebanese_Christian 4.42
    2 Lebanese_Muslim 5.46
    3 Samaritan 6.12
    4 Lebanese_Druze 7.49
    5 Cyprian 7.74
    6 Syrian 7.75

    I am a Maronite(An ethno-religious Eastern Catholic group) situated mainly in North and central Lebanon with small presence in the south too. So Lebanese Christian makes perfect sense.

    MDLP k16 Modern is interesting, here are my results

    1 Caucasian 49.79
    2 Neolithic 17.92
    3 NearEast 14.48
    4 Steppe 8.21
    5 Indian 5.2
    6 NorthAfrican 3.28
    7 EastAfrican 0.94
    8 Australian 0.18

    Oracle Popualtions
    1 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.41
    2 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 4.57
    3 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 5.54
    4 Armenian (Lebanon) 6.41
    5 Cypriot (Cyprus) 6.42
    6 Jew (Georgia) 6.55
    7 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.69
    8 Assyrian (Iran) 6.81
    9 Samaritan (Israel) 6.95

    MDLP World

    Middle_East 34.06
    2 Caucaus_Parsia 31.92
    3 South_and_West_European 29.52
    4 Indian 2.01
    5 Sub_Saharian 1.19
    6 North_and_East_European 1.05
    7 Mesoamerican 0.24

    1 Jew_Syria 4.66
    2 Druze 4.82
    3 Lebanese 5.2
    4 Cypriot 7.79
    5 Jew_Georgia 8.36
    6 Syrian 8.78

    What honestly strikes me in every autosomal test regardless of the population is the high amount of "West Asia" and/or Caucuses regions. Not much(correct me if i'm wrong") has been written on a Caucasian or similar groups movements into the Lebanon area. I always thought I would be a mix of "Semite" and Mediterranean components. But perhaps im reading everything wrong so I dont know haha. I am still very new to all of this stuff
    You'll find that Palestinians (and Western Jews, once their European ancestry is accounted for) have much less of this pull. Among 'pure Near Easterners', there is clearly a spectrum from Armenians/Assyrians to Samaritans/Palestinians. Syrian and Turkish regional affinities vary a lot, too.

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