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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex n Harmony View Post
    Can you post your Eurogenes k12b results? I like that test for its separation of the Caucasus from surrounding areas.

    Population
    Western European 2.79
    Siberian 0.12
    East African 1.72
    West Central Asian 9.64
    South Asian 0.87
    West African -
    Caucasus 33.10
    Finnish -
    Mediterranean 28.36
    Southwest Asian 23.39
    North European -
    East Asian -

    Would a population such as the Phoenicians or rather the Caananites fit more under Mediterranean or South West Asia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apex n Harmony View Post
    Just found this thread (below), in which users infinitely more well read than I explain that there's shared ancestry between present-day Caucasians and present-day Middle Easterners. In other words, it's expected that a Caucasian-like component would appear in the results of Middle Easterners, but it's merely reflective of shared ancestry.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...bian-peninsula
    Just read the whole thread, fascinating. I probably need to understand this stuff more though before I could understand 100% of that thread. What do you mean shared ancestry?

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    Eurogene K13
    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 41.1
    2 East_Med 27.45
    3 South_Asian 11.19
    4 Red_Sea 5.12
    5 Baltic 4.86
    6 West_Med 3.45
    7 North_Atlantic 2.46
    8 Sub-Saharan 2.21
    9 Amerindian 1.33
    10 East_Asian 0.73
    11 Northeast_African 0.06
    12 Oceanian 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranian 4.55
    2 Kurdish 5.43
    3 Azeri 8.83
    4 Armenian 13.67
    5 Georgian_Jewish 14.08
    6 Kumyk 14.23
    7 Turkish 14.89
    8 Georgian 15.21
    9 Adygei 15.97
    10 Abhkasian 16.32
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 89.7% Iranian + 10.3% Balochi @ 3.3
    2 89.9% Iranian + 10.1% Brahui @ 3.34
    3 88.1% Iranian + 11.9% Makrani @ 3.42
    4 87.2% Iranian + 12.8% Tabassaran @ 3.43
    5 86.1% Iranian + 13.9% Lezgin @ 3.46
    6 84.3% Kurdish + 15.7% Makrani @ 3.54
    7 86.9% Iranian + 13.1% Chechen @ 3.55
    8 92.2% Iranian + 7.8% Kalash @ 3.65
    9 85.2% Iranian + 14.8% Adygei @ 3.67
    10 85.6% Iranian + 14.4% Abhkasian

    Eurogene K36
    Amerindian 0.20
    Arabian 5.43
    Armenian 9.24

    East_Balkan 2.37
    East_Med 16.43
    Italian 1.12
    Near_Eastern 14.39
    North_Caucasian 12.87

    North_Sea 0.16
    Pygmy 0.20
    South_Asian 0.70
    South_Central_Asian 26.23
    Volga-Ural 0.89
    West_African 0.58
    West_Caucasian 9.18

    I'm from southwestern Iranian and a majority of my ancestor come from semi-nomadic tribes(Bakhtiari and Qashqai). I tend to have lower Arabian percentage then most other Southern Iranians, my Arabian percentage is usually the same or lower then the average Iranian. Though my African and South Asian/Baloch percentages definitely show I am Southern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    @Dewsloth, where can I find k36 Ancient? Is it a calculator on Gedmatch?
    I'm sorry! I didn't see this post until just now. Here's the thread:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-with-ancients
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post

    I am a Maronite(An ethno-religious Eastern Catholic group) situated mainly in North and central Lebanon with small presence in the south too. So Lebanese Christian makes perfect sense.

    MDLP k16 Modern is interesting, here are my results

    1 Caucasian 49.79
    2 Neolithic 17.92
    3 NearEast 14.48
    4 Steppe 8.21
    5 Indian 5.2
    6 NorthAfrican 3.28
    7 EastAfrican 0.94
    8 Australian 0.18

    Oracle Popualtions
    1 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.41
    2 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 4.57
    3 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 5.54
    4 Armenian (Lebanon) 6.41
    5 Cypriot (Cyprus) 6.42
    6 Jew (Georgia) 6.55
    7 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.69
    8 Assyrian (Iran) 6.81
    9 Samaritan (Israel) 6.95
    Mom's K16 Modern:
    MDLP K16
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 51.54
    2 Neolithic 16.97
    3 NearEast 12.66
    4 Steppe 7.94
    5 Indian 4.3
    6 NorthAfrican 3.81
    7 NorthEastEuropean 1.65
    8 EastAfrican 0.53
    9 Oceanic 0.31
    10 Amerindian 0.28

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Armenian (Lebanon) 4.79
    2 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.94
    3 Jew (Georgia) 5.34
    4 Cypriot (Cyprus) 5.43
    5 Druze (Mount_Carmel) 6
    6 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.14
    7 Lebanese (Lebanon) 6.15
    8 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 6.25
    9 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 6.26
    10 Assyrian (Armenia) 6.32
    11 Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan) 6.38
    12 Jew (Azerbaijan) 6.57
    13 Armenian (Yerevan) 6.61
    14 Assyrian (Iran) 6.78
    15 Armenian (Gavar) 6.82
    16 Armenian (Yegvard) 6.85
    17 Armenian (Vardnis) 7.13
    18 Assyrian (Iraq) 7.14
    19 Assyrian (Turkey) 7.31
    20 Armenian (Erzrum) 7.41

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 46.6% Assyrian (Armavir) @ 1.83
    2 50.5% Jew (Georgia) + 49.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.17
    3 71.6% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 28.4% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.18
    4 55.6% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 44.4% Jew (Azerbaijan) @ 2.28
    5 57.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 42.1% Assyrian (Iraq) @ 2.3
    6 65.3% Armenian (Lebanon) + 34.7% Samaritan (Israel) @ 2.34
    7 79.1% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 20.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.47
    8 71.5% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 28.5% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.53
    9 56.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 43.1% Armenian (Gavar) @ 2.59
    10 70.5% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 29.5% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.63
    11 53.6% Jew (Georgia) + 46.4% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 2.65
    12 74.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 25.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.67
    13 66.2% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 33.8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.7
    14 59.6% Jew (Georgia) + 40.4% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.7
    15 57.8% Samaritan (Israel) + 42.2% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.78
    16 59.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 40.3% Armenian (Dprabak) @ 2.81
    17 57% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 43% Assyrian (Iran) @ 2.81
    18 69.1% Jew (Iraqi) + 30.9% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.83
    19 78.7% Armenian (Lebanon) + 21.3% Jew (Tunisian) @ 2.92
    20 76.1% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 23.9% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.92
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Just read the whole thread, fascinating. I probably need to understand this stuff more though before I could understand 100% of that thread. What do you mean shared ancestry?
    By "shared ancestry" I mean that both present-day Caucasians (i.e., those actually from the Caucasus) and present-day Middle Easterners share common ancestors; they both derive from "basal Eurasian ancestry," according to the user Arbogan in that other thread I referenced.

    As for whether Phoenicians and Canaanites would "fit" more under Mediterranean or SW Asian, I'm really not qualified to say, since I'm super new to all this stuff too. I would say, though, that from my understanding it's wrong to try to "fit" any given population into one specific category, since the reality is that every population is a result of admixture. Now, I assume you're interested in knowing how a Phoenician's or Canaanite's Eurogenes k12b results might look, but I'm definitely not qualified to say, and I really have no clue. But hopefully someone more knowledgable can chime in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batroun View Post
    Population
    Western European 2.79
    Siberian 0.12
    East African 1.72
    West Central Asian 9.64
    South Asian 0.87
    West African -
    Caucasus 33.10
    Finnish -
    Mediterranean 28.36
    Southwest Asian 23.39
    North European -
    East Asian -

    Would a population such as the Phoenicians or rather the Caananites fit more under Mediterranean or South West Asia?
    Med + Caucasus + SW Asia in some configuration. Agamemnon might be the person to ask about this in more detail, but suffice it to say, the balance of these components (or their analogues) over time in the Levant is something that's just beginning to get resolved, with big implications for a lot of issues.

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    My (non middle eastern as far as I know) parents: mom with MDLP World
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_and_West_European 44.71
    2 North_and_East_European 23.65
    3 Middle_East 11.66
    4 Caucaus_Parsia 7.92
    5 Mesoamerican 5.33
    6 Arctic_Amerind 3.20
    7 Sub_Saharian 2.22

    Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bulgarian @ 9.584933
    2 Swiss @ 9.918779
    3 Macedonian @ 10.174971
    4 Montenegrin @ 10.216169
    5 Italian_North @ 10.251690
    6 Provancal @ 10.676340
    7 Romania @ 11.002469
    8 Gagauz @ 11.461387
    9 Puerto-Rican @ 11.752188
    10 Portugese @ 11.804754
    11 Serbian @ 11.954372
    12 Italian-North @ 12.016262
    13 Ashkenazim_V @ 14.221007
    14 Corsican @ 14.362413
    15 Iberian @ 14.476380
    16 German-South @ 14.780081
    17 French @ 14.967896
    18 Spaniard @ 15.515510
    19 Bosnian @ 15.566318
    20 Greek_South @ 15.859784

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Montenegrin +50% Puerto-Rican @ 4.181573

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Montenegrin +25% Puerto-Rican +25% Puerto-Rican @ 4.181573

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Miwok + Swedish_V + Jew_Libya + Basque @ 1.168421
    2 Miwok + Jew_Morocco + Basque + Sorb @ 1.211263
    3 Miwok + Jew_Algeria + Basque + Sorb @ 1.230227

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_and_West_European 44.41
    2 North_and_East_European 21.79
    3 Middle_East 15.42
    4 Caucaus_Parsia 8.61
    5 Sub_Saharian 3.78
    6 Mesoamerican 2.67
    7 Arctic_Amerind 1.44

    Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Bulgarian @ 9.962474
    2 Ashkenazim_V @ 10.492232
    3 Italian-North @ 10.531199
    4 Gagauz @ 10.754846
    5 Italian_North @ 11.058598
    6 Macedonian @ 11.275663
    7 Portugese @ 11.375110
    8 Montenegrin @ 11.855912
    9 Swiss @ 11.934276
    10 Provancal @ 12.139390
    11 Romania @ 12.164511
    12 Puerto-Rican @ 12.193309
    13 Greek_South @ 12.736061
    14 Corsican @ 12.977483
    15 Greek_North @ 13.219904
    16 Serbian @ 14.089912
    17 Iberian @ 14.795047
    18 Greek_Center @ 15.500505
    19 Italian-Center @ 15.670011
    20 Jew_Romania @ 16.494339

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ashkenazim_V +50% Portugese @ 5.183711

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German-South +25% Jew_Morocco +25% Puerto-Rican @ 2.342960

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Spaniard + Jew_Libya + Czech + Puerto-Rican @ 0.793152
    2 Jew_Libya + Slovakian + Iberian + Puerto-Rican @ 0.936237
    3 Croatian_V + Jew_Algeria + Spaniard + Puerto-Rican @ 0.944143
    4 Jew_Libya + Iberian + Czech + Puerto-Rican @ 0.946442

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Mom's K16 Modern:
    MDLP K16
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 51.54
    2 Neolithic 16.97
    3 NearEast 12.66
    4 Steppe 7.94
    5 Indian 4.3
    6 NorthAfrican 3.81
    7 NorthEastEuropean 1.65
    8 EastAfrican 0.53
    9 Oceanic 0.31
    10 Amerindian 0.28

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Armenian (Lebanon) 4.79
    2 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 4.94
    3 Jew (Georgia) 5.34
    4 Cypriot (Cyprus) 5.43
    5 Druze (Mount_Carmel) 6
    6 Assyrian (Armavir) 6.14
    7 Lebanese (Lebanon) 6.15
    8 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 6.25
    9 Arab_Israel (Iqrit) 6.26
    10 Assyrian (Armenia) 6.32
    11 Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan) 6.38
    12 Jew (Azerbaijan) 6.57
    13 Armenian (Yerevan) 6.61
    14 Assyrian (Iran) 6.78
    15 Armenian (Gavar) 6.82
    16 Armenian (Yegvard) 6.85
    17 Armenian (Vardnis) 7.13
    18 Assyrian (Iraq) 7.14
    19 Assyrian (Turkey) 7.31
    20 Armenian (Erzrum) 7.41

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 46.6% Assyrian (Armavir) @ 1.83
    2 50.5% Jew (Georgia) + 49.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 2.17
    3 71.6% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 28.4% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.18
    4 55.6% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 44.4% Jew (Azerbaijan) @ 2.28
    5 57.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 42.1% Assyrian (Iraq) @ 2.3
    6 65.3% Armenian (Lebanon) + 34.7% Samaritan (Israel) @ 2.34
    7 79.1% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 20.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.47
    8 71.5% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 28.5% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.53
    9 56.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 43.1% Armenian (Gavar) @ 2.59
    10 70.5% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 29.5% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.63
    11 53.6% Jew (Georgia) + 46.4% Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) @ 2.65
    12 74.1% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 25.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.67
    13 66.2% Arab_Israel (Iqrit) + 33.8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.7
    14 59.6% Jew (Georgia) + 40.4% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.7
    15 57.8% Samaritan (Israel) + 42.2% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.78
    16 59.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 40.3% Armenian (Dprabak) @ 2.81
    17 57% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 43% Assyrian (Iran) @ 2.81
    18 69.1% Jew (Iraqi) + 30.9% Italian (SouthItaly) @ 2.83
    19 78.7% Armenian (Lebanon) + 21.3% Jew (Tunisian) @ 2.92
    20 76.1% Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) + 23.9% Georgian (Georgia) @ 2.92
    Close enough to me !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saba123 View Post
    Eurogene K13
    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 41.1
    2 East_Med 27.45
    3 South_Asian 11.19
    4 Red_Sea 5.12
    5 Baltic 4.86
    6 West_Med 3.45
    7 North_Atlantic 2.46
    8 Sub-Saharan 2.21
    9 Amerindian 1.33
    10 East_Asian 0.73
    11 Northeast_African 0.06
    12 Oceanian 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranian 4.55
    2 Kurdish 5.43
    3 Azeri 8.83
    4 Armenian 13.67
    5 Georgian_Jewish 14.08
    6 Kumyk 14.23
    7 Turkish 14.89
    8 Georgian 15.21
    9 Adygei 15.97
    10 Abhkasian 16.32
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 89.7% Iranian + 10.3% Balochi @ 3.3
    2 89.9% Iranian + 10.1% Brahui @ 3.34
    3 88.1% Iranian + 11.9% Makrani @ 3.42
    4 87.2% Iranian + 12.8% Tabassaran @ 3.43
    5 86.1% Iranian + 13.9% Lezgin @ 3.46
    6 84.3% Kurdish + 15.7% Makrani @ 3.54
    7 86.9% Iranian + 13.1% Chechen @ 3.55
    8 92.2% Iranian + 7.8% Kalash @ 3.65
    9 85.2% Iranian + 14.8% Adygei @ 3.67
    10 85.6% Iranian + 14.4% Abhkasian

    Eurogene K36
    Amerindian 0.20
    Arabian 5.43
    Armenian 9.24

    East_Balkan 2.37
    East_Med 16.43
    Italian 1.12
    Near_Eastern 14.39
    North_Caucasian 12.87

    North_Sea 0.16
    Pygmy 0.20
    South_Asian 0.70
    South_Central_Asian 26.23
    Volga-Ural 0.89
    West_African 0.58
    West_Caucasian 9.18

    I'm from southwestern Iranian and a majority of my ancestor come from semi-nomadic tribes(Bakhtiari and Qashqai). I tend to have lower Arabian percentage then most other Southern Iranians, my Arabian percentage is usually the same or lower then the average Iranian. Though my African and South Asian/Baloch percentages definitely show I am Southern.
    Iranian results always intrigue me. perhaps because of the battle of the Persian identity. Apart from the Baloch and Africa would you say you results are typical for a Persian? Also it's interesting to note that a lot of our components are similar except that you only have a lot more south central asian than me and I have more East Med then you.
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