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    My K9 ASI on GEDMatch

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 48.17
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 13.93
    3 SE_Asian 12.65
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.05
    5 WHG 9.08
    6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.28
    7 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 1.92
    8 SW_Asian 0.92
    What does this all mean?
    BTW I am a Nepali Bahun.

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    From just south of you:
    Bihar Babhan

    Quite similar to you.

    Eurasia K9 ASI
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.63
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 17.80
    3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 12.15
    4 SE_Asian 10.33
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 3.33
    6 WHG 3.23
    7 SW_Asian 2.53

    I'm of the opinion that the CHG moniker is not to be taken seriously. The CHG samples are very isolated and their uniparental lines are closely related to those local to the Caucasus.

    As you are from Nepal, you have a slightly higher east Asian showing up in your SE Asian, while I have slightly higher ASI as some Bihar populations, eg. Santhal (while not on the Indian cline) are ASI-rich.

    But there is no doubt that South Asians have substantial ancestry from population(s) that have contributed to both the CHG and South Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    From just south of you:
    Bihar Babhan

    Quite similar to you.

    Eurasia K9 ASI
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.63
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 17.80
    3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 12.15
    4 SE_Asian 10.33
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 3.33
    6 WHG 3.23
    7 SW_Asian 2.53

    I'm of the opinion that the CHG moniker is not to be taken seriously. The CHG samples are very isolated and their uniparental lines are closely related to those local to the Caucasus.

    As you are from Nepal, you have a slightly higher east Asian showing up in your SE Asian, while I have slightly higher ASI as some Bihar populations, eg. Santhal (while not on the Indian cline) are ASI-rich.

    But there is no doubt that South Asians have substantial ancestry from population(s) that have contributed to both the CHG and South Asians.
    Parasar
    Why the ASI is below 20% in this calculator in almost every south Asian?
    I scored this:
    Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 42.78
    2 SE_Asian 19.57
    3 Ancestral_South_Indian 18.81
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.6
    5 Siberian_E_Asian 5.44
    6 WHG 4.19
    7 W_African 1.37
    8 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.23
    9 SW_Asian 0.01

    Do you think SE Asian absorbed some ASI?
    Do all south Asians got ASI from Austroasiatics/Santhals
    Or only the East Indian/Bengalis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    From just south of you:
    Bihar Babhan

    Quite similar to you.

    Eurasia K9 ASI
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.63
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 17.80
    3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 12.15
    4 SE_Asian 10.33
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 3.33
    6 WHG 3.23
    7 SW_Asian 2.53

    I'm of the opinion that the CHG moniker is not to be taken seriously. The CHG samples are very isolated and their uniparental lines are closely related to those local to the Caucasus.

    As you are from Nepal, you have a slightly higher east Asian showing up in your SE Asian, while I have slightly higher ASI as some Bihar populations, eg. Santhal (while not on the Indian cline) are ASI-rich.

    But there is no doubt that South Asians have substantial ancestry from population(s) that have contributed to both the CHG and South Asians.
    But why is my WHG and SE Asian so high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zayd View Post
    Parasar
    Why the ASI is below 20% in this calculator in almost every south Asian?
    I scored this:
    Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 42.78
    2 SE_Asian 19.57
    3 Ancestral_South_Indian 18.81
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.6
    5 Siberian_E_Asian 5.44
    6 WHG 4.19
    7 W_African 1.37
    8 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.23
    9 SW_Asian 0.01

    Do you think SE Asian absorbed some ASI?
    Do all south Asians got ASI from Austroasiatics/Santhals
    Or only the East Indian/Bengalis?
    Yes.

    As to why ASI is low, it is because most South Asians have low numbers of ASI once you break up ancestral ASI into ASI, EHG, WHG, Siberian, SE Asian.
    Ancestral ASI even contributes to CHG. The only components with little or no ancestral ASI would be W African, ENF, and SW Asian.

    I think folk in eastern India - Nepal, Bihar etc - have an extra boost of ASI but no OoA population has no ancestral ASI. Basal and ancestral ASI are constructs, if you will, of a very early split OoA, perhaps in W or S. Asia (likely in the latter as it has both).
    Last edited by parasar; 09-02-2017 at 03:50 PM. Reason: typo

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    SE_Asian 22.48
    Ancestral_South_Indian 15.93
    Siberian_E_Asian 7.21
    Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.16
    WHG 3.41
    Early_Neolithic_Farmers 2.56
    SW_Asian 1.44
    W_African 1.36

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    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.49
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 16.71
    3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.28
    4 SE_Asian 8.62
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 4.76
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Yes.

    As to why ASI is low, it is because most South Asians have low numbers of ASI once you break up ancestral ASI into ASI, EHG, WHG, Siberian, SE Asian.
    Ancestral ASI even contributes to CHG. The only components with little of no ancestral ASI would be W African, ENF, and SW Asian.

    I think folk in eastern India - Nepal, Bihar etc - have an extra boost of ASI but no OoA population has no ancestral ASI. Basal and ancestral ASI are constructs, if you will, of a very early split OoA, perhaps in W or S. Asia (likely in the latter as it has both).
    Thanks,
    So, if a sample from paleolithic India get tested, he will be something mixed, rather being homogenous? Ive read somewhere ASI is somewhere between eastern eurasian and western eurasian,more toward eastern eurasian.
    What was the ANI?, most of calculators show us as CHG/EHG/WHG ect. which came with neolithic and bronze age migrations, but ANI supposed to be present from paleolithic according to the genographic project.

    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    My ancestry DNA results, I am Assamese

    Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.45
    SE_Asian 22.48
    Ancestral_South_Indian 15.93
    Siberian_E_Asian 7.21
    Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.16
    WHG 3.41
    Early_Neolithic_Farmers 2.56
    SW_Asian 1.44
    W_African 1.36
    The difference between you and me is due to east asian and ASI, you are slightly higher east Asian and slightly lower ASI than me, the western eurasian parts are similar more or less.Thats basically difference between a bengali and an assamese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zayd View Post
    Thanks,
    So, if a sample from paleolithic India get tested, he will be something mixed, rather being homogenous? Ive read somewhere ASI is somewhere between eastern eurasian and western eurasian,more toward eastern eurasian.
    What was the ANI?, most of calculators show us as CHG/EHG/WHG ect. which came with neolithic and bronze age migrations, but ANI supposed to be present from paleolithic according to the genographic project.

    ...
    West Eurasian and East Eurasian as gleaned from present populations are quite broad as there have been multiple cross-overs in the past.
    At the OoA split, I see Basal as West Eurasian and ancestral ASI (Ust Ishim) as East Eurasian. The latter admixed with Neanderthals, while the former did not.

    So to answer what is ANI - it is admixed consisting of Basal and ancestral ASI components that had separated from ASI quite early and then only recently mixed again with ASI to form the ASI-ANI Indian cline.
    Parts of ANI are very likely as old in South Asia as ASI.

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    I'm south indian and these are my results:

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 54.73
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 20.86
    3 SE_Asian 14.26
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.99
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 2.14
    6 SW_Asian 1.44
    7 W_African 1.3
    8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.28

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