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    Anyone Else C4a1a?

    Hi there, I was born in Canada but my mother is Bangladesh. From the looks of it C4* mtDNA is present among South Asian populations and I am C4a1a. Which other regions have this particular strand?

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    This project has someone of Russian ancestry (Yaroslavl) belonging to C4a1a6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searcher View Post
    Hi there, I was born in Canada but my mother is Bangladesh. From the looks of it C4* mtDNA is present among South Asian populations and I am C4a1a. Which other regions have this particular strand?
    Here you go.

    Do you have the T195C mutation under C4a1a? This is present in Kashmir and Tamil Nadu, as well as siberia, mongolia, turkey and russia.

    The C4a1a1a - C3576T A4884G A4958G is in Tibetan populations from NE India and Nepal.
    Paternal YDNA: G-P303+ -> G-Z30522+
    Paternal mtDNA: U7a3b1
    Maternal YDNA: R-Z2123+ -> R-YP526+
    Maternal mtDNA: C4a1 (T195C!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searcher View Post
    Hi there, I was born in Canada but my mother is Bangladesh. From the looks of it C4* mtDNA is present among South Asian populations and I am C4a1a. Which other regions have this particular strand?
    There's another Bengali chap I know with C4a4 mtdna. From Sylhet originally.

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    The MA2195 Ottoman woman was C4a1a4a too!

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    In case you've missed it, three of the Khazar samples from Tatarinova et al. were C4:


     


    Samples 656 and 1986 are (going off STRs) C-M217 and R-Y9 respectively.

    Here's more information on those samples from the supplement:

     
    Sample 166
    This family of Kurgans is in the Martynivsky district of the Rostov region; it was excavated in
    1982. Sample 166 is the primary burial in Kurgan 37. The remains were of a female, aged 25 -
    30 years.
    The grave is of the pit type with a niche in the southern wall. Fortunately, the grave
    was not robbed and contained multiple items, including pieces of ironwork and stirrups. The
    burial is dated between the second half of the VIIIth century and early IXth century.


    Sample 656
    This sample was excavated from the Verbovy log IX site, kurgan 3, burial 1. This site is near
    the Verbovy Log Farm of Dubovsky district of the Rostov region located on the left bank of
    the Don (now the left bank of the Tsimlyansk reservoir). Kurgan 3 was excavated by the
    expedition of the Rostov State University (Rostov-on-Don) in 1989. The height of the kurgan
    was 0.24 m. The square below the square was surrounded by a square trench measuring 14.5 x
    12 m. Burial 1 is the pit type with a niche in the southern wall. In the grave, there was a male
    skeleton (30 - 35 years)
    , likely Caucasoid in appearance. The burial has not been robbed.

    At the bottom of the grave, there was an incomplete skeleton of the horse, the skull and the
    limbs. There were iron stirrups, iron buckle, iron arrowheads, iron quiver hook, quiver loops,
    fragments of iron blade weapons (probably a broadsword with a handle decorated with silver
    lining), and with ivory lining. An oval-shaped, silver belt buckle was also found. In the
    mouth of the deceased was half of the Byzantine gold coin from the second reign of Emperor
    Justinian II (705-711 AD). Typical Turkic runes were scratched on the surface of the coin.

    There were also coin-like discs similar in size to the Byzantine coin. Therefore, the burial is
    dated to the first third of the VIIIth century, and not before 705. This work has not been fully
    published.


    Sample 1986
    Kurgan burial ground Talovy II is in the Orlovsky district of the Rostov region. It was
    excavated in 2004 by the expedition of the Archaeological Research Bureau, Rostov-on-Don.
    Sample 1986 was the primary grave of Kurgan 3. It belonged to a male, aged 35 - 45 years.
    The man was buried along with a horse and a camel.
    The grave is of the pit type with niches in
    the southern and western walls. The burial was not robbed, providing multiple artifacts,
    including arrowheads, ivory bow overlays, and a flail. The main finding is a reliquary made
    from a carved deer antler, showing combat scenes between a rider and a foot soldier.
    Considering the item’s complexity and level of craftsmanship, it is a rare find worldwide, and
    the only one found in the Lower Don area.
    The burial is dated between the second half of the
    VIIIth- and early IXth century.
    Last edited by Agamemnon; 03-10-2021 at 02:39 AM.
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    Hi there! My grandpa on my maternal side has C4a1a3d http://https://www.yfull.com/mtree/C4a1a3d/ according to 23mofang, a Chinese DNA company. However, after checking all the mutations it could be C4a1a-a2 since he also got the C6563T mutation. http://https://www.yfull.com/mtree/C4a1a-a2/. He does not have the T195C mutation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    In case you've missed it, three of the Khazar samples from Tatarinova et al. were C4:
    ... 1986 are (going off STRs) ... R-Y9 respectively.

    ...

    Sample 1986
    ...
    It seems that C4 and R1a have been together for some time.
    Most of the Xiaohe R1axZ93 samples were mtdna C4.

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    223-298-309-327 C4
    R1a1a

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    298-327 C4
    R1a1a

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    189-192-311 R* ("The results showed that they are related neither to the West Eurasian haplogroups UK, TJ, HV, R11 and R1, nor to the East Eurasian haplogroups B and F. So we designated them as haplogroup R* temporarily.")
    R1a1a

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    183-189-192-311 R*
    R1a1a

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    298-327 C4
    R1a1a

    139
    298-327 C4
    R1a1a

    "The U7 variant observed in Xiaohe is currently found mostly in Iran, Europe and the Tibetan plateau. In addition, we found one individual with the Indian lineage M5 [48]. Nowadays, the M5 variant observed in this study is found mainly in south and southwest Asia. The presence of hgs U7 and M5 in the Xiaohe people suggests that populations of west/south Asia contributed to the gene pool of the Tarim Basin during the Bronze Age. The most dominant east Eurasian haplogroup in the Xiaohe people was C, found in 18 of the 36 individuals (47 %) and associated with five distinct mtDNA C4 haplotypes and one C5 haplotype. Nine Xiaohe individuals carried the variant 16223-16298-16309-16327 and five carried the variant 16298–16327. The first of these variants, 16223-16298-16309-16327, has to our knowledge not been previously observed in ancient or living populations, while the variant 16298–16327 was only observed in present-day Siberia, although at low frequencies [49–51]. A variant characterised by substitutions 16223-16298-16327, observed in one Xiaohe individual, is found widely in present-day Eurasia, with the highest frequency in central/eastern Siberia. It also been detected in a number of ancient individuals, three from Neolithic central Siberia [43], one from northeast Siberia (3600 yBP) [52], six from northeast Europe (3500yBP) [37], twelve from the Bronze Age West Siberian Plain [53], one from southern Xinjing(2800-2011yBP) [54] and four from late Neolithic northwest China [55]. Haplotype 16129-16223-16298-16327 is found mainly in currently northeast, central and south Siberian populations, in Mongolia and central Asia. It also was found in one ancient Mongolian (2000 yBP) [56]. Haplotype 16093-16129-16223-16298-16311-16327 is probably rare, since it has only been detected previously in four present-day individuals, one in south Siberia, one in Tibet, one in Southeast Asia, and one in China. One Xiaohe individual carried Hg C5 (16223-16288-16298-327), of a variant only observed previously in one individual of southern Siberia, and in one of the Tibetan Plateau (Fig. 3b).

    The second most frequent east Eurasian haplogroup in the Xiaohe people was D, found in four individuals, with four different variants. The first, 16051-16223-16362, is found mainly in Southeast Asia. The second, 16223-16234-16316-16362, is found throughout the Eurasian continent, including China, Japan, Siberia, and Eastern Europe."
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4495690/

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    you can check all the C4a1a ancient DNA samples here on this website (including downstream subclades):https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_...A&ybp=500000,0

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