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    Quote Originally Posted by Aha View Post
    Those are descedants of the eastern Yamna expansions. Sintashta, Andronovo, Karasuk, BMAC etc.

    On the contrary, those populations constantly show 1-2% WHG. Kurd's calculator shows it:



    Ok but 1-2% WHG maybe is related to low Basque which is on similar level among some of them.

    Altaian 0,27
    Shor 0,00
    Kazakh 0,37
    Karakalpak 0,01
    Uyghur 0,12
    Uzbek 0,24
    Turkmen 0,29
    Turkmen_Uzbekistan 0,16
    Kalmyk 0,45
    Tajik_AFG 0,00
    Iran 0,07
    Pushtun_AFG 0,00
    Pushtun_PAK 0,00
    Kalash_PAK 0,00
    Baloch_IR 0,00
    Brahui_PAK 0,00
    Chitrali_PAK 0,00
    Makrani_PAK 0,00
    Sindhi_PAK 0,00
    Burusho_PAK 0,00
    Hazara_PAK 0,30
    Telugu_IND 2,57
    Bengali_BNG 1,72
    Malayali_IND 0,00
    Brahmin_South-India 0,00
    Jatt_Sikh 0,01
    Jatt_Muslim 0,04
    Jatt_Haryana 0,70
    Punjabi_Khatri 0,69
    Khoja_Memoni 0,00
    Brahmin_Himachal_Pradesh 0,00
    Jatt_Pahari 0,00
    Brahmin_Bihari 0,00
    Brahmin_Nepali 0,00
    Sidhu_IND 0,00
    Kashmiri-Pandhit_IND 0,54
    Jammu_Brahmin 0,00
    Punjabi_IND 1,09
    Punjabi_PAK 0,00
    Tamil_Ceylon 0,00

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Ok but 1-2% WHG maybe is related to low Basque which is on similar level among some of them.

    Altaian 0,27
    Shor 0,00
    Kazakh 0,37
    Karakalpak 0,01
    Uyghur 0,12
    Uzbek 0,24
    Turkmen 0,29
    Turkmen_Uzbekistan 0,16
    Kalmyk 0,45
    Tajik_AFG 0,00
    Iran 0,07
    Pushtun_AFG 0,00
    Pushtun_PAK 0,00
    Kalash_PAK 0,00
    Baloch_IR 0,00
    Brahui_PAK 0,00
    Chitrali_PAK 0,00
    Makrani_PAK 0,00
    Sindhi_PAK 0,00
    Burusho_PAK 0,00
    Hazara_PAK 0,30
    Telugu_IND 2,57
    Bengali_BNG 1,72
    Malayali_IND 0,00
    Brahmin_South-India 0,00
    Jatt_Sikh 0,01
    Jatt_Muslim 0,04
    Jatt_Haryana 0,70
    Punjabi_Khatri 0,69
    Khoja_Memoni 0,00
    Brahmin_Himachal_Pradesh 0,00
    Jatt_Pahari 0,00
    Brahmin_Bihari 0,00
    Brahmin_Nepali 0,00
    Sidhu_IND 0,00
    Kashmiri-Pandhit_IND 0,54
    Jammu_Brahmin 0,00
    Punjabi_IND 1,09
    Punjabi_PAK 0,00
    Tamil_Ceylon 0,00
    Most northeast Europeans don't have any Basque but have a lot of WHG related ancestry. At the same time, many Iberians show considerable Basque, but get little WHG related ancestry.
    I don't think Indo-Aryan WHG is from Basque. It is from the same Yamna heritage, possibly through EHG, which is genetically similar to WHG.

    There are no fully HG derived elements. The elements themselves are defined by modern people or by similarity of their admixture.
    For example, the source group of the Eastern European element is 100% Eastern European. While MDLP-11 gives him 43% WHG, 6% Siberian. Pretty much ordinary russian result. I expect the Basque, Fennoscandian, Italian, South Central Asian, etc. any element show the same tendency to be admixture of ancient elements of their own. They are a modern admixture made into it's own element. I am pretty sure there is a lot more CHG in modern Europeans than those they show in N.Caucasian element. It was simply blended into one of the element's admixture.

    Code:
    Kit Number: Z254479   Elapsed Time: 30.56 seconds
    
    Population	 
    Amerindian	-    
    Arabian	-    
    Armenian	-    
    Basque	0.34
    Central_African	-    
    Central_Euro	-    
    East_African	-    
    East_Asian	-    
    East_Balkan	-    
    East_Central_Asian	-    
    East_Central_Euro	0.93
    East_Med	-    
    Eastern_Euro	97.86
    Fennoscandian	0.42
    French	-    
    Iberian	-    
    Indo-Chinese	-    
    Italian	-    
    Malayan	-    
    Near_Eastern	-    
    North_African	0.08
    North_Atlantic	-    
    North_Caucasian	-    
    North_Sea	-    
    Northeast_African	-    
    Oceanian	0.13
    Omotic	-    
    Pygmy	-    
    Siberian	-    
    South_Asian	-    
    South_Central_Asian	-    
    South_Chinese	-    
    Volga-Ural	0.24
    West_African	-    
    West_Caucasian	-    
    West_Med	-    
    
    Kit Number: Z254479   Elapsed Time: 15.44 seconds
    
    
    Population	 
    African	-    
    Amerindian	1.03
    ASI	-    
    Basal	1.93
    Iran-Mesolithic	0.96
    Neolithic	19.75
    Oceanic	0.49
    EHG	25.71
    SEA	0.50
    Siberian	6.47
    WHG	43.15
    In this same way, I expect hypothetical 100% Basque (K36) person to score around 25% WHG and 40% Neolithic. Hypothetical 100% Fennoscandian, East_Central_Euro and North Sea/Atlantic would score 60% WHG, etc. Plus minus 10%.

    Maybe you could ask Davidski for the 100% element gedmatches, if there are any. And we will crosscompare them in relation to ancients.
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    I have some thoughts about some component names. Mayeb it will be possible to tell Gedmatch guys to change some component names. On other forums people usually complain about too litttle "Italian" component when thery are Italians or "French" when they are Frenchmen. They don't understand those names are only artifical designations. But I agree using ethinc lables for genetic components is wrong policy and it creates mess.

    My propositions

    Italian -> Central Med (now second concentraion in Albania, besides Italy makes sense)
    Iberian -> Atlanto-Med (beacuse it strechs from Iberia to North-West Europe, but of course biggest concetration is still in Iberia, but some British folks could have about 20%).
    French - Western European (some people propose Celtic, because of Brittany but it's another ethnic labeling andd we have some concetration among North Dutch also)
    Fennoscandian - North-East European
    Armenian - South Caucasian

    Also East-Balkan -> Balkan (concentrations are in Albania, central Greece and NW-Romania)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aha View Post
    As I promised, I present you with a map that features geographical distribution of the highest concentrations of the K36 calculator elements.

    The coloured zones include >90% percentile. Sometimes it is <90%, otherwise that would limit the zone to a dot or would not include areas where the element is still in absolutely majority.

    A lot of credit deserves lukaczM, as I was using his elements distribution data as the basis. The graphics idea is from Kurd's K12 Ancient Map. Adding to it my geographical and ethnic group knowledge and photoshop skills we have got this map:



    Version 1.2. Last updated today. It is subject to future updates as we get more data.
    Original file size 5120x3200.
    The map is done in layers, which means it is fully customisable for individual results (percentages could be added and only areas with any result will be shown).

    Important notes:
    1. Some areas have other elements as their dominant component, but this map purpose is to show the area of the biggest concentration of the elements;
    2. Basque areas also show highest Iberian;
    3. Central Euro, French, East Balkan and Armenian elements do not have a percentage majority even in their highest concentration zones.
    Excellent work! Personally I think the "French" component should be renamed Breton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    Excellent work! Personally I think the "French" component should be renamed Breton.
    It's not good becasue it's also popular in south England and north Dutch, and some French regions other than Brittany. So Western European is much better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Components with non-euro centres of concentrations

    East-Med component
    https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML


    North Caucasian component
    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE


    West Caucasian component frequency
    https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE

    Armenian component frequency
    https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE

    Near Eastern component frequency
    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE

    Arabic component frequency
    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE


    North-East African component frequency


    North African component frequency

    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE

    South Central Asian component frequency
    https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE

    South Asian component frequency
    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    I have some thoughts about some component names. Mayeb it will be possible to tell Gedmatch guys to change some component names. On other forums people usually complain about too litttle "Italian" component when thery are Italians or "French" when they are Frenchmen. They don't understand those names are only artifical designations. But I agree using ethinc lables for genetic components is wrong policy and it creates mess.

    My propositions

    Italian -> Central Med (now second concentraion in Albania, besides Italy makes sense)
    Iberian -> Atlanto-Med (beacuse it strechs from Iberia to North-West Europe, but of course biggest concetration is still in Iberia, but some British folks could have about 20%).
    French - Western European (some people propose Celtic, because of Brittany but it's another ethnic labeling andd we have some concetration among North Dutch also)
    Fennoscandian - North-East European
    Armenian - South Caucasian

    Also East-Balkan -> Balkan (concentrations are in Albania, central Greece and NW-Romania)
    It would be nice to change some names. I would propose it like this:

    Before After
    Amerindian Amerindian
    Arabian Arabian
    Armenian South_Caucasian
    Basque Basque
    Central_African Central_African
    Central_Euro Central_Euro
    East_African East_African
    East_Asian East_Asian
    East_Balkan Balkan
    East_Central_Asian East_Siberian
    East_Central_Euro Baltic
    East_Med East_Med
    Eastern_Euro Eastern_Euro
    Fennoscandian Finnic
    French Celtic
    Iberian Iberian
    Indo-Chinese Indo-Chinese
    Italian Central_Med
    Malayan Malayan
    Near_Eastern Near_Eastern
    North_African North_African
    North_Atlantic North_Atlantic
    North_Caucasian North_Caucasian
    North_Sea North_Sea
    Northeast_African Horner
    Oceanian Oceanian
    Omotic Omotic
    Pygmy Pygmy
    Siberian Siberian
    South_Asian South_Asian
    South_Central_Asian Indo-Iranian
    South_Chinese South_Chinese
    Volga-Ural Volga-Ural
    West_African West_African
    West_Caucasian West_Caucasian
    West_Med West_Med
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    Is north Caucasian an ANE related element?

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