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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    I stumbled on a new person who has tested DF99>FGC16982>S16136>FGC16979>BY15482 in the Big Y. He isn't in either the P312 or DF99 projects. I have sent him an email but have had no response as yet. He lists Ireland for his ancestral country of origin. However he has a same surname DNA match who instead gives a specific location in Montgomeryshire in Wales. DF99 has proved to be exceedingly rare in Ireland, so far limited to a couple of families from Ulster with English surnames. In any case, according to Reaney [The Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd. Rev. Ed.], his surname is English, a shortening of the personal name Philipot, "little Philip."
    He is now in both the P312 and DF99 projects, though I still haven't heard from him.

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    An extremely interesting new DF99 from the Big Y. He is third Czech national to have the same terminal SNP [DF99>S16982>S16136>FGC16979>BY15507>FGC72205>BY658 27]. However all three have different surnames, different EKAs, and do not have not matching STRs at 37 markers or above. The new individual has only one match at 67 markers (GD 7), and that is to someone who has what I believe is a Polish name (possibly part of the Polish nobility or gentry?) with ancestry back to the 15C in Poland. He also has only two matches at 37 markers, both of whom have what appears to be a Polish surname. All three Czechs appear to be from the province of Moravia in the Czech Republic.

    So it appears that there is a presence of DF99 in the Moravia and probably Poland as well. They all have Slavic as opposed to German surnames, so I don't think they are likely to be descendants of medieval settlers from Germany. Does this indicate an early presence of DF99 in eastern Europe? However it should be pointed out that the BY15507 subclade includes men with ancestry from southern England and Switzerland (German surname) as well as the three Czechs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    An extremely interesting new DF99 from the Big Y. He is third Czech national to have the same terminal SNP [DF99>S16982>S16136>FGC16979>BY15507>FGC72205>BY658 27]. However all three have different surnames, different EKAs, and do not have not matching STRs at 37 markers or above. The new individual has only one match at 67 markers (GD 7), and that is to someone who has what I believe is a Polish name (possibly part of the Polish nobility or gentry?) with ancestry back to the 15C in Poland. He also has only two matches at 37 markers, both of whom have what appears to be a Polish surname. All three Czechs appear to be from the province of Moravia in the Czech Republic.

    So it appears that there is a presence of DF99 in the Moravia and probably Poland as well. They all have Slavic as opposed to German surnames, so I don't think they are likely to be descendants of medieval settlers from Germany. Does this indicate an early presence of DF99 in eastern Europe? However it should be pointed out that the BY15507 subclade includes men with ancestry from southern England and Switzerland (German surname) as well as the three Czechs.
    Well i would still bet on Germanics, Slavic-Germanic relations in Czechia predate adoption of surnames by a few centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Well i would still bet on Germanics, Slavic-Germanic relations in Czechia predate adoption of surnames by a few centuries.
    It is certainly a possibility, and I wouldn't bet against it. I have mentioned before that the Celts were replaced by the Germanic Quadi tribe in the first century BC in Moravia, where the three DF99 Czechs all hail from. However that doesn't explain a possible (though at this point unconfirmed) presence of DF99 in the Poles. I think there are numerous possible explanations, including a remnant from the early Bronze Age, and I wouldn't rule any of them out at this point.

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    The DF99 project at FTDNA reached 200 members today. We have come a long way from the original 3 first confirmed to have the marker in 2013, though the project wasn't formed until later.
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    FTDNA seems to have gone through DF99 Big Y 700 results (now apparently 70 in number?) and refined the DF99 tree. There are a number of changes I am still trying to digest. One of interest is that they have found a marker (Z29643) that unites two of the three previously known DF99 subclades, namely FGC16982 and FGC847. Thus technically there are now only two subclades directly below DF99: 1) BY3450 and 2) Z29643, which contains both FGC847 and FGC16982.

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    I have discovered that someone who appears to be in France did a Big Y test from Igenea (these are done by the FTDNA lab and incorporated into their database) in Switzerland and tested DF99>Z29643>FGC847>FGC7556>FGC864>BY152555>BY15265 7. I do not know his surname (he is listed only by initials) and I do not know where in France his ancestors were located. I have tried to contact him through Igenea, which has not been very fruitful in the past. To date the DF99 marker appears to be very are in France, found only along the perimeter.

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    On that note, do we know of any individuals from the new study on France who are DF99?
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    On that note, do we know of any individuals from the new study on France who are DF99?
    Not that I've heard of, but I don't know if any have results for that marker.

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    AFAIK there were no DF99s in the recent study of ancient DNA in Ireland either.

    I doubt the western part of Europe (ie west of the Rhine on the continent and the British Isles and Ireland) is a likely place to look for DF99 prior to the beginning of the Migration Age. It's not impossible- there could be a few outliers. My guess is that central and especially north central Europe would be a far better target.

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