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    Big Y results came in today for the DF99 with ancestry from Luxembourg. He is FGC847+ but FGC864-. The only other person in this category so far has ancestry from central Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    Big Y results came in today for the DF99 with ancestry from Luxembourg. He is FGC847+ but FGC864-. The only other person in this category so far has ancestry from central Germany.
    Is this person ethnic Luxembourgian (Germanic)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    Is this person ethnic Luxembourgian (Germanic)?
    He is an American with male line ancestry back to the late 17C in a small village in the south of Luxembourg. His surname is of Germanic origin, from an old Germanic word for warrior. The identical surname is also found in England, where it has a similar origin from a related word in Old English (Anglo-Saxon).

    His closest match at 67 markers is someone in Zurich who indicates ancestry from a town in Baden. Unfortunately this match, who is P312+, has not tested for DF99.
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    FGC864+ at long last. I've been out of the loop for a while, what's the BY21728? And any scoop on the Norman named guy from the 11th century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telfermagne View Post
    FGC864+ at long last. I've been out of the loop for a while, what's the BY21728? And any scoop on the Norman named guy from the 11th century?
    As you probably know, FGC847 constitutes one of three known subclades of DF99, It is currently divided into two separate groups, those who are also positive for FGC864 and those who are negative for it. FGC864 is further divided into two divisions- those who are also positive for BY21728 and those who are negative for it. The person who claims descent from a Domesday tenant is in the latter group ((ie BY21728-). I don't think FTDNA offers testing for BY21728 outside the Big Y.

    The FGC847>FGC864 group has a fairly strong STR signature, which you match, which is why your result didn't surprise me. However the signature appears to apply to both subclades of FGC864, so I can't predict whether you are positive or negative for BY21728.

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    The DF99 Project is now approaching 100 members, with almost 30 Big Y tests plus a couple from FullGenomes and three from the 1000 Genomes Project. There are others who have tested DF99+ but have not joined the project, plus many more whose surname and STR markers virtually guarantee a DF99+ result if only they would test for it. These two groups would easily double the current number of project members.

    To date all those who have done Big Y or other NGS testing, as well as all those who have done individual SNP testing, have tested positive for one of three known subclades directly below DF99: FGC847, S16982 and BY3450. In other words, no one has tested DF99*. At this point I think it is unlikely, though not impossible, that any further subclades directly below DF99 currently exist (if they ever did). Of course each of those three subclades is known to have a further substructure.

    DF99 is very widespread in Europe, having been found from northern Ireland in the west to Moscow in the east, central Sweden in the north to Sicily in the south. However the vast majority have origins in Germanic language countries, especially England and Germany. It may be noteworthy that all three of the above mentioned subclades have men of both English and German origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    The DF99 Project is now approaching 100 members, with almost 30 Big Y tests plus a couple from FullGenomes and three from the 1000 Genomes Project. There are others who have tested DF99+ but have not joined the project, plus many more whose surname and STR markers virtually guarantee a DF99+ result if only they would test for it. These two groups would easily double the current number of project members.

    To date all those who have done Big Y or other NGS testing, as well as all those who have done individual SNP testing, have tested positive for one of three known subclades directly below DF99: FGC847, S16982 and BY3450. In other words, no one has tested DF99*. At this point I think it is unlikely, though not impossible, that any further subclades directly below DF99 currently exist (if they ever did). Of course each of those three subclades is known to have a further substructure.

    DF99 is very widespread in Europe, having been found from northern Ireland in the west to Moscow in the east, central Sweden in the north to Sicily in the south. However the vast majority have origins in Germanic language countries, especially England and Germany. It may be noteworthy that all three of the above mentioned subclades have men of both English and German origin.
    So sofar we can't use subclades for any futher ethnical\geographical association?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    So sofar we can't use subclades for any futher ethnical\geographical association?
    Not at least for the top level of DF99 subclades. Here are some ancestral locations for the three subclades directly below DF99.

    FGC847 England, Germany, Luxembourg, Russia and Peru

    S16982 England, Wales, Belgium (Flanders), Italy, Portugal and Germany

    BY3450 England, Wales, Germany, Italy and Poland

    I hope as we work down the tree the younger subclades will correlate more with national origin. There is one branch of BY3450 that is several steps below that which has only two people to date, and one is from northern Italy and the other from Germany.

    The geographic diversity of each subclade suggests to me that spread of DF99 in Europe did not occur immediately after its foundation, but possibly at a considerably later date. A dispersal during the Migration Age would fit well, at least for the majority of DF99.

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    Another interesting DF99+ result in today. We now have the third DF99 from Sweden. He has ancestry from the southern Swedish province of Småland, now Kronoberg. Like one of the other two, he is a Swedish national. His closest STR match is to Roaring of Russia, whose ancestry appears to be from Denmark or northern Germany. He is not a close STR match to the other two DF99 from Sweden.

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    The DF99 Project has finally reached 100 members, though there is one person who remains despite a DF99- test result. I have now identified a number of others who have either tested DF99+ or who are extremely close matches to project members and who would almost certainly test DF99+ if they would only order it. I will try to contact as many as I can to ask them to join. The numbers will likely grow exponentially as each new DF99 is identified.

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