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    IF you tried the snptracker, there are some puzzling information about DF99. If you input DF99 and run the map, and then select 'descendants' on the menu, the map will show a number of downward descendants for DF99 (or fgc16982 my end snp) with medieval labels in Germany. Now, the only known ancient DF99 individual is the Lombard CL94. How do we explain this?
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    IF you tried the snptracker, there are some puzzling information about DF99. If you input DF99 and run the map, and then select 'descendants' on the menu, the map will show a number of downward descendants for DF99 (or fgc16982 my end snp) with medieval labels in Germany. Now, the only known ancient DF99 individual is the Lombard CL94. How do we explain this?
    I don't have any idea what data they are using, but that result comes as no surprise to me. I think it is clear that the majority of DF99 has a connection with the Germanic world.

    EDIT: Looking at the SNP tracker tool thread on this forum, it appears that the author of the program did not use any ancient DNA samples, but used modern samples from FTDNA along with their indicated ancestral origins and took the dates from YFull.
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    With regards to the nodes of R-BY21739, I played around with Y-Full's age estimate thing.

    So, my branch with 17 "corrected" SNPs, 144.41 as the assumed mutation rate, and 60 years as the assumed age of "donors", the age of my particular R-BY21739 node would be given by (17*144.41)+60. So, 2514.97 years or thereabout.

    To put that in the scope of history, the ballpark seems potentially relevant to the 490's BCE. A significant historic event from around then would be the First Secessio Plebis, kind of tugs at the heart strings there.

    With regard to descendant nodes:

    R-BY21728 Anglo-Irish guy - 5 "corrected" SNPs, so 13th Century(ish)

    R-BY21754 & R-BY21755 presumably Anglo family - averaged to the 15th Century(ish)

    Kind of lonely with how far back the split seems to have happened. Not too surprised though given that males of my line tend to be complete weirdos, selection is a b**** - only natural that we'd have a buttload worth of private variants.
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    I thought an update on DF99 Big Y results might be of interest. There are 68 of them that I know of. 61 of them are currently listed on the BigTree, plus two from the 1000 genomes Project. There is one from the Czech republic who is in the FTDNA DF99 Project, but has not posted his results on the BigTree website. There are three others that are neither in the DF99 Porject nor have entered their data on the BigTree, but whose results are listed among the matches of Project members .

    Of the total of 68, all of them are in one of the three known DF99 subclades, which are 1) FGC847, 2) FGC16982 and 3) BY3449/BY3450. I think this makes it unlikely, though not impossible, that there is another subclade directly below DF99 that remains to be discovered.

    By far the most common subclade under DF99 is FGC16979 (DF99>FGC16982>S16136>FGC16979). This accounts for around 45% of the total Big Y results, and is pretty widespread in Europe, though like DF99 overall, is concentrated in Germanic language countries.

    There are more still pending, including several upgrades from the original BigY to the BigY 700, but I don't expect there will be any surprises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    I thought an update on DF99 Big Y results might be of interest. There are 68 of them that I know of. 61 of them are currently listed on the BigTree, plus two from the 1000 genomes Project. There is one from the Czech republic who is in the FTDNA DF99 Project, but has not posted his results on the BigTree website. There are three others that are neither in the DF99 Porject nor have entered their data on the BigTree, but whose results are listed among the matches of Project members .

    Of the total of 68, all of them are in one of the three known DF99 subclades, which are 1) FGC847, 2) FGC16982 and 3) BY3449/BY3450. I think this makes it unlikely, though not impossible, that there is another subclade directly below DF99 that remains to be discovered.

    By far the most common subclade under DF99 is FGC16979 (DF99>FGC16982>S16136>FGC16979). This accounts for around 45% of the total Big Y results, and is pretty widespread in Europe, though like DF99 overall, is concentrated in Germanic language countries.

    There are more still pending, including several upgrades from the original BigY to the BigY 700, but I don't expect there will be any surprises.
    What about percentages and distribution of other two subclades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    What about percentages and distribution of other two subclades?
    This requires some effort, so I'll start with FGC847. Incidentally it currently appears to be roughly the same size as the third subclade BY3449/BY3450.

    Based on Big Y results, most of FGC847 falls into the FGC858 subclade (DF99>FGC847>FGC864>FGC858). To date this group appears to be exclusively English. If the pedigree of one of them can be believed, that family appears to be of Norman origin, and there is some possibility that most or even all of them could be as well, but that is highly speculative. This group has a fairly strong STR signature.

    Positive for FGC847 and FGC864 but negative for FGC858 includes another from England and the mysterious anonymous Peruvian from the !KG Project, the latter of whom may or may not be of Spanish origin.

    If one includes those who have done individual SNP testing but not the Big Y, FGC847>FGC864 includes an Anglo-Irish family, a VA colonial American family presumably of English origin and the Russian descendant of a Moscow Boyar family. It should be noted that none of them have tested for FGC858, which at present can only be tested in the Big Y.

    Finally positive for FGC847 but negative for FGC864 (ie. FGC847*) includes one from Luxembourg (German or English surname) and one from north central Germany (Niedersachsen/Lower Saxony).

    As a cautionary note, a large number of confirmed DF99 men have not done any SNP testing beyond DF99, so all this should be viewed as preliminary.
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    Finally the BY3449/BY3450 subclade. First I should point out that these markers so far have an equivalent position. There is only one person so far who is P3449/3450* in the Big Y. His ancestry is from northern Italy (Veneto). However there are others who are the same category who have only done individual SNP testing. There are two from northern Italy (Piedmont and Lombardy), a family from either Germany or Switzerland (this seems to be disputed) and an Englishman from East Anglia. One of the two of Italian origin has the Big Y on order, so we may get some further deliniation under this subclade when his results come in.

    The rest of the Big Y tests for this subclade are also positive for BY3447, located directly below BY3449/50. One only is BY3447*, with ancestry from SE Poland but a surname which suggests a German origin.

    The rest are all at least one additional step below BY3447. There is a family from SW Germany, another northern Italian (Piedmont), an American family with a surname most common in the East Midlands of England, and a large American family which is probably of Welsh origin. There is some indication the latter family was founded by an English knight who was awarded lands in Wales by Edward I.

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    Another Icelander with origins in Denmark in the 15C has joined the DF99 project. His first name begins with a runic letter still in use in Iceland. He has ordered a test for DF99, and based on his markers and matches I have no doubt whatsoever he will get a positive result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    Another Icelander with origins in Denmark in the 15C has joined the DF99 project. His first name begins with a runic letter still in use in Iceland. He has ordered a test for DF99, and based on his markers and matches I have no doubt whatsoever he will get a positive result.
    In a remarkably fast result, this Icelander has now tested DF99+, as expected.

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    I really hope that the donor decides to purchase something like the Big-Y eventually (along with a few others that I'm interested in). Kinda stinks that the products are not always marketable to persons of interest.

    Also, does anyone have more information on the Lombard DF99 that was found (CL94)?

    I'm also confused as to why some refer to this individual as mostly Southern European, I have the supplementary data from that study and CL94 is a three-way mix roughly of Northern+Intermediate+Southern:

    1/3rd (GBR+CEU + FIN), 1/3rd TSI (Tuscan, an intermediate pop, neither strictly Southern or whatever) and then 1/3rd Iberian.
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    The populations used to create proportions for the remains are modern, and modern day Tuscans are not strictly Southern European, they're a "highway population" like the French and Germans, already deeply mixed :/
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