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    Quote Originally Posted by GOM View Post
    Thanks M. I rather thought I must have been re-inventing the wheel.
    Your subclade vs P312 % approach for each country chart is unique/original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Your subclade vs P312 % approach for each country chart is unique/original.
    I think the chart is really just reflecting what is evident on the map I posted for DF19. There is a clear distinction between the northern countries where DF19 averages 5.8% of P312 and the southern countries which average 0.7% of P312. The British Isles are a mixture of the two, with DF19/P312 averaging 1.7%. Here's the DF19 map again:

    DF19 % of P312.PNG

    For DF99 I can't see a consistent pattern on the map. High and low DF99 countries are scattered amongst each other:

    DF99 % of P312.PNG

    As a result, when I repeat the chart for DF99 I can't see consistent patterns:

    DF99 vs P312 annot.png

    Please bear in mind that we are dealing with low numbers here so these patterns may not hold up over time. For DF19 there are 338 tests represented, but only 139 for DF99. Also there is the statistical problem where some testers will have a result for P312 but not for any lower sub-clades, artificially boosting the number of P312 results. I checked this factor for DF19 and it didn't affect the result greatly.

    It does seem that at least for DF19 the genetic history of the northern countries has been distinctly different from that of the southern countries. At this stage I don't have sufficient knowledge to speculate why this may be.

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    We now have Big Y results for all seven men from Moravia in the Czech Republic in the DF99 Project. This is due to the very energetic efforts of one of them to identify and recruit the others.

    All seven, some of whom share the same surname while others do not, are DF99>Z229643>FGC16982>S16136>BY15507>FGC72295>BY65 827. The latter block includes 20 SNPs. Beyond that there is some divergence. Six of the seven also have FT129506, while one does not. Four of the seven with FT129506 also have BY62099, a block with a total of 10 SNPs, while two do not.

    I am not entirely certain what to make of this, but off hand I would say that their ancestors have probably been in that area for at least a thousand years. The BY15507 block contains 17 SNPs and includes men with ancestry from Germany and southern England as well as this Czech group, which may give a clue to their origin.
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    I was contacted today by a man in Germany who has tested DF99+ with Igenea. Igenea is a DNA testing company in Switzerland. However the DNA testing is performed by the FTDNA lab, and their results are incorporated in the FTDNA database, identified only by an Igenea number.

    He tells me his ancestry goes back to 1700 in Pomerania/Pommern, which is located on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea. Most of it was awarded to Poland after WW2. We do have other DF99 from the same area.

    I have invited him to join the DF99 Project at FTDNA.

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    Looks like my clade has been updated again, now its R-FT49882.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    I was contacted today by a man in Germany who has tested DF99+ with Igenea. Igenea is a DNA testing company in Switzerland. However the DNA testing is performed by the FTDNA lab, and their results are incorporated in the FTDNA database, identified only by an Igenea number.

    He tells me his ancestry goes back to 1700 in Pomerania/Pommern, which is located on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea. Most of it was awarded to Poland after WW2. We do have other DF99 from the same area.

    I have invited him to join the DF99 Project at FTDNA.

    Have you seen it?

    From upcoming Reich lab paper.
    All samples were 1240K sequenced at Reich Lab, so they are SNP confirmed.

    Viminacium - 28 (labeled Serbia_Roman):

    E x 13 (L618 x 6; L618>V13 x 3; Z830 x 1; Z830>M123 x 1; Z1902 x 1; M96 x 1)



    G x 5 (PF3148 x 1; PF3148>L91 x 1; P303 x 1; L497 x 1; L497>Z1815 x 1)

    R1b x 3 (Z2103 x 1; U106 x 1; U152>L2>Z367 x 1)

    R1a x 2 (Z2124>Z2122 x 1; Z2124>Z2123 x 1)

    J x 2 (M304 x 1; L24 x 1)

    T x 1 (M184)

    I1 x 1 (M253)

    I2 x 1 (L596)


    Timacum Minus, Slog necropolis - 10 (labeled Serbia_Roman):

    E x 3 (M35 x 1; L618 x 1; L618>V13 x 1)

    J x 3 (M304 x 1; M410 x 1; M241 x 1)

    R1b x 2 (Z2103 x 1; Z2103>CTS1450 x 1)

    G x 1 (CTS342>FGC12126)

    I1 x 1 (Z58>CTS8647)


    Timacum Minus, Kuline necropolis - 5 (labeled Serbia_Early_Middle_Age):

    I2 x 2 (M423 x 2)

    E x 1 (L618)

    J x 1 (M304)

    R1b x 1 (P312>DF99)


    Lepenski Vir - 2:

    E x 1 (M35) - Serbia_Roman

    J x 1 (M102) - Serbia_Medieval


    Mediana - 2 (labeled Serbia_Gepid):

    G x 1 (P287)

    I1 x 1 (Z58>CTS8647)


    Gomolava - 1 (labeled Serbia_Medieval):

    I2 x 1 (M423>L621>CTS4002)


    If this rumors are true we will have Early Medieval DF-99 in Serbia.

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    If the rumor is true, I'd cut off my ears to know the subclade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telfermagne View Post
    If the rumor is true, I'd cut off my ears to know the subclade.
    Were there Germanic tribes in Serbia? I know about Gots in Albania, but haven't heard much of Serbia.

    Edit: Although if we follow the origins of Serbs from White Serbians, (modern sorbians) it's pretty easy to imagine that some germanic clades may have been assimilated back before the migration to Balkans. Anyway autosomals will show the better picture.
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    I have no idea tbh. I know the Romans had a presence due to Illyricum and Moesia, so it's possible that auxillary troops from Germania or Gallia could be responsible, I have no way to really prove/disprove such a speculation though. It will be swell when Global25 coordinates become available for these guys to see where they fit on a neighbor joining tree and PCA.
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    I'm not entirely sure what Early Middle Ages means. 6th century AD or 12th century AD? We need a more specific date.
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