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    An article about Timacum Minus and its necropolis:

    https://www.muzejknjazevac.org.rs/en.../timacum-minus

    It was a fortress built by the Romans around the first cent. AD, which was later destroyed by Barbarian invasions on several occasions from the 3rd to the middle of the 5th century. The most recent layer of the necropolis dates from the the 9th to 10th centuries, and I suspect that is probably where the DF99 man was found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telfermagne View Post
    Looks like my clade has been updated again, now its R-FT49882.
    That is because someone else in the DF99>Z29643>FGC847>FGC7556>FGC858>BY21739 category has now also tested positive for FT49882, presumably in the Big Y. I don't know who he is. He doesn't appear to be in the FTDNA DF99 project. He lists unknown for his origins. I wish I knew who it is.

    I now need to revise my DF99 tree once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    An article about Timacum Minus and its necropolis:

    https://www.muzejknjazevac.org.rs/en.../timacum-minus

    It was a fortress built by the Romans around the first cent. AD, which was later destroyed by Barbarian invasions on several occasions from the 3rd to the middle of the 5th century. The most recent layer of the necropolis dates from the the 9th to 10th centuries, and I suspect that is probably where the DF99 man was found.
    DF99 sample is actually from Kuline necropolis, which was in use ~450-700 AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    DF99 sample is actually from Kuline necropolis, which was in use ~450-700 AD.
    Can you provide any additional background on the Kuline necropolis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    Can you provide any additional background on the Kuline necropolis?
    AFAIK there is no literature on Kuline necropolis in English, but you can find some basic info using Google translate in this article, which focuses mainly on anthropological analysis:

    Early_Medieval_necropolis_on_the_site_Timacum_Minu s_Kuline

    In short, nine graves were excavated from this necropolis, six of which were subjected to aDNA analysis. There were no weapons or other valuable items in any of the graves. Sample I15538 is from the grave no.2, his mtDNA haplogroup is H1e1a6 and his Y-haplogroup is R1b1a1a2a1a2f (DF99). Here's the plan of the necropolis with mt and Y-haplogroups:

    02. Timacum Minus - Kuline Necropolis (450-700 AD).PNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    AFAIK there is no literature on Kuline necropolis in English, but you can find some basic info using Google translate in this article, which focuses mainly on anthropological analysis:

    Early_Medieval_necropolis_on_the_site_Timacum_Minu s_Kuline

    In short, nine graves were excavated from this necropolis, six of which were subjected to aDNA analysis. There were no weapons or other valuable items in any of the graves. Sample I15538 is from the grave no.2, his mtDNA haplogroup is H1e1a6 and his Y-haplogroup is R1b1a1a2a1a2f (DF99). Here's the plan of the necropolis with mt and Y-haplogroups:

    02. Timacum Minus - Kuline Necropolis (450-700 AD).PNG
    Was there an anthropological analys of the skeleton?

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    I had some difficulty downloading and translating the cited article. However I did get the following excerpts:

    "The necropolis from the interior of the fortress on the site of Timacum Magnis- Kuline can be approximately dated from the mid 5th to the end of the 9th century AD after the stratigraphy of the cultural layers.

    Dating is even more difficult due to the fact that that the necropolis is only partially researched and in the discovered graves there were no offerings. After the comparative analyses we conducted, we conclude that these individuals differ very much after morphological and metrical elements, after their body height and paleopathogical changes, from the members of the Antique and medieval population buried buried on the nearby necropolis Slog. Unlike them, deceased buried on the Podina necropolis are anthropologically very close. Also, we may note, after the extreme robusticity of the body, epigenetic traits that on the Kuline were buried the members of the same tribal-blood related community, which is a characteristic of the Great Migration period. After some warrior injuries and markers of occupational stress, it may be assumed that they often took part in battles and that they were light armed horsemen. However more precise dates and more data on the population itself can be provided by further investigation of the necropolis."

    Perhaps someone else can get more information from the article.
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    Fascinating. Zolad to Kuline is a 10 hour drive :-) Zolad is on the path of the early middle age slavic migration from the north.
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
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    One of our project members says that two DF99+ samples have been identified among the recent sampling of Viking Age results.

    VK336 Oland, Sweden 853+/- 67 CE/ R-BY106906 [which is under DF99>S16982>S16136>FGC16979>FGC55515]
    VK369 Bakkendrup, Sealand, Denmark 850-900 CE / FGC7556 [which has an equivalent position with FGC846 under DF99>FGC847]

    I am awaiting confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    One of our project members says that two DF99+ samples have been identified among the recent sampling of Viking Age results.

    VK336 Oland, Sweden 853+/- 67 CE/ R-BY106906 [which is under DF99>S16982>S16136>FGC16979>FGC55515]
    VK369 Bakkendrup, Sealand, Denmark 850-900 CE / FGC7556 [which has an equivalent position with FGC846 under DF99>FGC847]

    I am awaiting confirmation.
    It seems these samples are already on YFull:

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2832/

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-S16136/

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