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    Bunjevci / Bunjevacs / Буњевци

    Bunjevacs are South Slavic ethnic group settled in various areas of ex-Yugoslavia (Lika, Dalmatia, Bačka) and southern Hungary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunjevci
    I don't have any attention to prove or denying their affiliation - are they autochthonous group, part of Croatian nation or just roman-catholic Serbs. I just want to see what yDNA results will end up for them because, so far, there are no published DNA results (yDNA, mtDNA or auDNA) for Bunjevacs. Results are collected from various public databases, personal matches and testing which result are still not published (I participated in it, so I have a knowledge about results).
    For Lika Bunjevac group, I took DNA results for the surnames based on Stjepan Pavičić book and for Bačka Bunjevac, surnames based on the book by Jovan Erdeljanović and other notorious Bunjevac's surnames in the region.
    I would really appreciate if this thread don't become ''a war'' between Serbs and Croats and if it's possible, potential discussion could be on serbian, croatian, serbo-croatian or bunjevac language

    This are yDNA result for Bunjevacs in total (Lika, Dalmatia, Bačka):
    50.0% - R1a (most of them Z280)
    29.0% - I2a Dinaric (so far PH908 is only proven subclade)
    10.6% - R1b (eastern and western branches)
    2.6% - I1, E1b, G2a and J1

    Most of them are Bunjevacs from Lika and Velebitsko Podgorje, so if we look at them:
    51.6% - R1a (so far M458 not found but still plenty of room to find it)
    25.9% - I2a Din
    12.9% - R1b
    3.2% - I1, G2a, J1

    The amount of R1a + I2a Din indicates significant Slavic origin of Bunjevacs. So called experts from Serbia propagated ''absolute domination'' of Dinaric hg among Bunjevacs, even declared ''Bunjevac cluster'' although none of the surnames in that ''cluster'' was not recognize as Bunjevacs by any author. Results for Lika group denies those claims but Bačka group could make some changes in those percentages.

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    What do they self identify as ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macura View Post
    The amount of R1a + I2a Din indicates significant Slavic origin of Bunjevacs. So called experts from Serbia propagated ''absolute domination'' of Dinaric hg among Bunjevacs, even declared ''Bunjevac cluster'' although none of the surnames in that ''cluster'' was not recognize as Bunjevacs by any author. Results for Lika group denies those claims but Bačka group could make some changes in those percentages.
    This cluster is not anymore called as "Bunjevacki". The new name for this cluster is 19=14. There is some indications that all tested people who belong to that cluster have origin in Popovo Polje (eastern Herzegovina).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    What do they self identify as ?
    In Croatia they identify as Croats. In Vojvodina (Serbia's northern province) two-thirds identify as Croats, the rest as Bunjevci as an ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyro-Vlach View Post
    In Croatia they identify as Croats. In Vojvodina (Serbia's northern province) two-thirds identify as Croats, the rest as Bunjevci as an ethnicity.
    In Subotica area it's 50-50 Not sure for Sombor.

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    Comparation: Bunjevci - Lika Croats - Lika Serbs in percentages:
    R1a = 51.6 - 20.7 - 17.6
    I2a = 25.9 - 24.1 - 33.8
    R1b = 12.9 - 24.1 - 0.0
    I1 = 3.2 - 10.3 - 9.5
    G2a = 3.2 - 3.4 - 0.0
    J1 = 3.2 - 0.0 - 4.1
    (Commercial testing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyro-Vlach View Post
    In Croatia they identify as Croats. In Vojvodina (Serbia's northern province) two-thirds identify as Croats, the rest as Bunjevci as an ethnicity.
    In Hungary absolute majority identifies as Croats, and they are counted as sub-Croatian population togheder with Šokci.

    Bunjevci are ikavian speakers and Croats for sure, some of them declare as spearate ethnicity in Vojvodina due to political pressure after dissolution of Yugoslavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macura View Post
    Comparation: Bunjevci - Lika Croats - Lika Serbs in percentages:
    R1a = 51.6 - 20.7 - 17.6
    I2a = 25.9 - 24.1 - 33.8
    R1b = 12.9 - 24.1 - 0.0
    I1 = 3.2 - 10.3 - 9.5
    G2a = 3.2 - 3.4 - 0.0
    J1 = 3.2 - 0.0 - 4.1
    (Commercial testing)
    It doesn't add up to 100.

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    R1a / I2a ratio suggests northern origin (more south, more I2a percentile), R1b suggests western origin. Somewhere in NW Croatia (below Sava river).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    It doesn't add up to 100.
    No, it doesn't. I just compared main hg among Bunjevacs with the same in the Lika province (Serbs and Croats).

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