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    Where to now?

    Hi, my first post in this forum. I'm looking for advice as to what to test for next. I would like to establish the terminal subclade but am unsure of the next path to follow.
    My sister and i recently completed getting our Father's DNA tested to 67 markers at ftdna, the results being a predicated R1b or M269. The subclade predictor test i ran is showing the following. i am assuming that that the S28 prediction shown here is the subclade to further pursue? Is it worth getting the Geno 2.0 test? will that provide me with this information i am looking for or is it better to get further testing done through ftdna? Appreciate any advice here...

    R1b =>46%
    R1b-S28 =>18%
    R1b-Ub =>14% (R1b-L21)
    R1b-Frisian4 =>4%
    R1b-E.Europe =>3%
    R1b-Irish/Continental =>4%
    R1b-S21-Scottish =>1%
    R1b-S.Irish =>4%
    R1b-Frisian =>2%
    R1b-North/South 1 =>2%

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    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
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    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
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    K1a1a

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    If you have a Ysearch entry and can give us your Ysearch ID (not your password!), that would make it easier for us to advise you.

    I think the Geno 2.0 is worthwhile. It gives you a nice array of y-dna SNP results and mtDNA and autosomal test results, as well.

    Otherwise, you might want to start by ordering tests for U152 (S28) and L21.

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    H2a2b [RSRS]

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    Looks like you've used the Jim Cullen/Ken Nordtvedt World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor.
    This predictor works on a variation of a goodness-of-fit test, and works well for Haplogroup I.

    However, many of the R1b subclade modals are similar to one another and so a lot has been sacrificed in the way of accuracy.
    You will find that if you run the predictor a number of times, you will get different results each time you run it, using the same haplotype.

    If you could give your FTDNA kit#, no doubt someone on this forum would be able to point you in the right direction, once they've seen your haplotype.

    Clinton P
    FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    I would save up for the Nat Geo 2.0 test as your first YSNP test. Be sure to upload the results to FTDNA. Testing individual YSNPs at $39 each only allows you to test five YSNPs. Since you are R-M269 predicted by FTDNA, there are 100s of YSNPs to test that descend from R-M269. Also, please post your FTDNA ID and some FTDNA project that you belong to. This will allow us to look at your results and better advise you. Also, posting the surname of your oldest proven ancestor helps as well as your suspected place of origin in Europe. For R-L21, over 60 % Irish are R-L21, 40 to 50 % Scottish are R-L21, 30 to 50 % Welsh are R-L21 but only 10 to 50 % English are R-L21 (the further west and north, the higher the percentage), only 10 to 40 % of French are R-L21 (highest concentration along the English channel - the further west the higher), etc. So surname/European origin is important to the analysis as well.

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    thanks guys for your responses. The ysearch id is W25R4 surname is Gordon, we have traced our ancestry back to aberdeenshire to approx 1770. the FTDNA kit # is 105253, the results for the 67 markers are as follows.

    13 23 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15-15-16-17 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 17 37-38 12 12 11 9 15-15 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 13 12

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    With DYS 492 = 13, you look like you belong to a subclade of R1b-U106.

    With DYS 390 = 23, you look like you belong to a subclade of R1b-L48.

    Geno2.0 does not test for L48, but does test for most of the subclades of L48. This is not the cheapest option, but is probably works out the cheapest in the long run, and is probably the most efficient.

    Clinton P
    FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    Have you checked out your closest match on Ysearch? Irvine, Aberdeenshire ID# H7JJM. He has a GD to you of 3 at 67 markers. All 3 are fast mutators. You are also just 6 off at 67 from the U106 Modal.


    DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1
    13 23 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13
    DYS 392 DYS 389-2 DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448
    13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19
    DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d DYS 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb DYS 456
    29 15 15 16 17 11 11 19 23 15
    DYS 607 DYS 576 DYS 570 CDY a CDY b DYS 442 DYS 438 DYS 531 DYS 578 DYS 395S1a
    15 19 18 37 38 12 12 11 9 15
    DYS 395S1b DYS 590 DYS 537 DYS 641 DYS 472 DYS 406S1 DYS 511 DYS 425 DYS 413a DYS 413b
    15 8 10 10 8 11 10 12 23 23
    DYS 557 DYS 594 DYS 436 DYS 490 DYS 534 DYS 450 DYS 444 DYS 481 DYS 520 DYS 446
    16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13
    DYS 617 DYS 568 DYS 487 DYS 572 DYS 640 DYS 492 DYS 565
    12 11 13 11 11 13 12


    Haplogroup: Unknown
    Last name: Irvine
    Variant spellings: Irving Irwin Irvin Erewine
    Ervin Ervine de Irwyn Irvine
    Tested with: Family Tree DNA
    Contact person: Brian Irvine Contact this user

    Most distant known paternal ancestor on the direct male line

    First Name: Sir William
    Last Name: de Irwyn
    Year Born: About 1250
    Year Died: About 1333
    Country of Origin: Aberdeenshire / Kincardineshire, Scotland
    Latitude: 56 deg 58 min 00 sec N
    Longitude: 2 deg 12 min 00 sec W


    Additional information about Paternal Line:
    My tree goes back beyond the early 1200's( William De Irwyn). Extending from the Drum Castle line was Henry Irvine. Henry of Sunnyside was known as the "First of Kingcausie" His spouse was Jean Irvine b. 1522 and they had a son, John born in 1515 at Bird's Eyn, Kingcausie. Sir William De Irwyn was born around 1260 (this date is very contentious - one should NOT download UNVERIFIED DATA from other family pages without further verification)

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    thanks for these responses, i'm endeavouring to get in touch with Irvine. can i ask, what is meant by "6 off at the 67 from the U106 modal" ? i'm still fairly new to this and while understand the basics, i get pretty confused with anything past that !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ennor View Post
    thanks for these responses, i'm endeavouring to get in touch with Irvine. can i ask, what is meant by "6 off at the 67 from the U106 modal" ? i'm still fairly new to this and while understand the basics, i get pretty confused with anything past that !!
    In simple terms, the U106 modal is the assumed DNA profile of the founder of the SNP U106 who existed several thousand years ago. You can find the Modal on Ysearch ID N5PA5 which I think was created by Mike Walsh a couple of years ago. You have a 61/67 match with this profile. i.e. 6 mutations compared to the profile. That's pretty close. I'm not familiar with U106 or it's sub-groups but as mentioned by Clinton P your DYS 492 = 13 together with your close match is a good indicator that you would be positive for U106.

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    ok, thanks for this information, appreciate your patience with me, learning fast!!

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