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Thread: Any progress on R1b-L11* (known at FTDNA as P310+ U106- P312-) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballardgen View Post
    These samples are from the same group - P310* L11* > CTS4528 or S1200

    So if DF100 - is being defined by - GRCh37 position: 16775613 Ancestral allele: C Derived allele: T
    AND S1200/CTS4528 - is being defined by - GRCh37 position:15697457 Ancestral allele: T Derived allele: C

    and the above statements are correct?? then CTS4528 and DF100 are separate new subclades of P310/11 ??

    and by the above comparisons it would be reasonable to say that CTS4528 could be 4000 to 6000 years old similar to P310/L11 itself?
    Of course mine is a rough calculation, but we can see that there are 6 mutations in 6 haplotypes, thus 1 mutation to be considered. I assume that 1 mutation in these very slow mutating markers is worth about 4000/6000 years.
    Anyway we should ask Anatole Klyosov, who was the first to study these markers.

    If we consider all the markers and a Mutation Rate of 0.0022, probably the result should be multiplied for 2.5, as we can see if we compare the haplotypes tested by Full Y (or BigY, to consider about the same of the about 9Mbp used in the paper on the Levites R1a). I did this calculation by comparing my haplotype (R-Z2110*) and that of Silver (R-L584).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballardgen View Post
    These samples are from the same group - P310* L11* > CTS4528 or S1200
    Hi Ballard/Bellardi, the recent release of 2000 people tested by Chromo2 has a group of S1200/CTS4528:

    numbers 569-1944 under R1b-S1194 (only 570 and 1944 are negative for S1200, then probably are another subclade, perhaps DF100, but we don't know). There is also 1 R-L11* as I posted on "R1b phylogeny".
    I'll publish next the tree of these samples.

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    Thank You Rathna :-)

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    CTS10694 (582)
    CTS1195 (582)
    CTS3849 (577)
    CTS7141 (582)
    CTS7206 (570, 575, 582)
    CTS7364 (582)
    CTS8326 (582)
    F4036 (582)
    P310 (all)
    PF3231 (575)
    PF4655 (unreliable) (1944)
    PF6541/L52 (all)
    S11481 (575, 576)
    S1159/PF6543/YSC191 (all)
    S1187 (571, 574, 579, 581)
    S1194 (all)
    S1196 (571,574, 577, 579,581, 582)
    S1200/CTS4528 (all except 570, 1944)
    S12023 (582)
    S1211 (571, 574, 579,581)
    S1253 (578)
    S128 (all)
    S14328 (569, 571, 574, 577-582)
    S15263 (571, 574, 579, 581)
    S16080 (582)
    S17624 (575, 576)
    S17720 (575, 576)
    S17868 (571, 574, 579, 581)
    S18067 (575, 576)
    S19274 (575, 576)
    S19837 (575, 576)
    S19935 (575, 576)
    S21770 (575, 576)
    S22429 (578)
    S22763 (580)
    S23097 (582)
    S23356 (580)
    S24014 (571, 574, 579, 581)
    S25757 (575, 576)
    S3374 (575)
    S4628 (577)
    S4629 (577)
    S4631 (578)
    S516 (582)
    S6157 (572, 575, 1626) [unreliable]
    S6165 (572, 575, 1626) [unreliable]
    S6863 (577)
    S6868 (577, 582)
    S826 (571)
    S8520 (582)
    S8933 (572, 575, 1626) [unreliable]]
    S9254 (582)
    S9977 (575, 576)

    This is the tree:
    R-L11, L52/PF6511, P310, S1194, S128
    (all)
    under S1200/CTS4528
    there are: 569, 571, 572, 573, 574,575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 1626, but not 570, 1944
    under S14328
    there are, 569, 571, 574, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582 but not 572, 573, 575, 576, 1626
    under S1196
    there are 571, 574, 577, 579, 581, 582 but not 569, 578, 580
    under S1211, S15363, S17868, S24014
    there are 571, 574, 579, 581 but not 577 and 582 which are under the SNP S6868.
    582 has the most numerous SNPs tested under the separation from 577.

    Under S6868 there are 577 and 582.
    577: CTS3849, S4628, S4629, S6863
    582: CTS10694, CTS1195, CTS7141, CTS7364, CTS8326, F4036, S12023, S16080, S23097, S516, S8520, S9254

    Under S11481, SS17624, S17720, S18067, S19274, S19837, S19935, S21770, S25757, S9977 there are 575 and 576
    575: P3231, S3374
    Last edited by Rathna; 02-21-2014 at 02:54 PM.

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    Tathna, Thanks Again - any info on the DF100, S1203's ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballardgen View Post
    Rathna, Thanks Again - any info on the DF100, S1203's ??
    Ballard, do you know that DF100 is S1203? Chromo2 tests S1203, but no one is positive, then all these L11 are DF100-.
    We have at least three groups:
    583 is L11*, S1194- and has these SNPs: S12025, S15526, S16185, S19882, S25007, S8507.

    All these people is under S1200/CTS4528, thus you are DF100-.

    The other two samples (570 and 1944) are under S1194 but not S1200/CTS4528 and are DF100-.

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    Rathna as all ways a great help - That is what our study and samples have shown thank you..........................
    Last edited by ballardgen; 02-21-2014 at 06:02 PM.

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    The latest News with Big Y tests coming in DF100 must be a subclade of CTS4528 see my project page for results

    http://www.worldfamilies.net/surname...a1a/disc?raw=1

    Adrian Ballard
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    https://www.facebook.com/SBMHL11

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    Do we know yet whether the pattern of

    DYS442 = 10
    DYS438 = 13

    is DF100+ or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Do we know yet whether the pattern of

    DYS442 = 10
    DYS438 = 13

    is DF100+ or not?
    Small number of sample at present but averages would suggested Negative http://www.worldfamilies.net/surname...a1a/disc?raw=1

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