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    What did your 4 x great grandfathers (Generation 7) do for a living?

    Someone had to do it. We've had What did your 3 great grandfathers do for a living. Let's try to step it up further if we can. We each have 32 biological great great great great grandfathers, unless genetic folding has kicked in early with recent cousin marriages. How many can you report? Ladies and gentlemen, Your great great great great grandfathers please.

    Mine:

    1. John Brooker. b.1788, Long Wittenham, Berkshire, England. Agricultural labourer.
    2. Thomas Edney. b.1785 Whitchurch, Oxfordshire, England. Thatcher.
    3. John Shawers (Shuarze?). b. circa 1800 Switzerland. Copper smith.
    4. Benjamin Durran. b.1810 North Aston, Oxfordshire, England. Tailor.
    5. John Bennett. Lived Norfolk, England. b.1788. Farmer.
    6. Samuel Baxter. b.1787 Dereham, Norfolk, England. Brick layer.
    7. Charles Barker. b.1795 Dereham, Norfolk, England. Shoe maker.
    8. James Alderton Barber. b.1803 Swanton Morley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    9. Raphael Smith. b.1775 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    10. Robert Hewitt. b.1782 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    11. John Peach. b.1770 Maxey, Northants, England. Shepherd.
    12. Benjamin Riches. b.1779 Old Buckenham, Norfolk. Agricultural labourer.
    13. Benjamin Barber. b. circa 1772. Lived Halesworth, Suffolk, England. No trade found in records.
    14. Brick wall
    15. John Ellis. b. 1773 Lived in Tasburgh, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    16. James Gooderham. b.1786 Hempnall, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    17. William Curtis. b.1808 Hassingham, Norfolk, England. Marshman, agricultural labourer, and steam engine driver.
    18. Samuel Larke. b.1795 Cantley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    19. William Rose. b.1804 Brundall, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    20. Thomas Barker. b.1801 Moulton St Mary, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    21. William Key. b.1778 Postwick, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    22. Robert Waters. b.1771 Freethorpe, Norfolk, England. Mole catcher.
    23. Richard Goffen. b.1731 Strumpshaw, Norfolk, England. Carpenter.
    24. John Nichols. b.1786 Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    25. Thomas Tovell. b.1785 Wrentham, Suffolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    26. Edward Tammas. b.1774 Langley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    27. William Lawn. b.1761 Norfolk. Lived at Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    28. William Springall. b.1788 Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    29. Brick wall
    30. William Thacker. b.1796 Salhouse, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    31. Reuben Daynes. b.1781 Brandon Parva, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
    32. Robert Quantrill. b.1797 Norfolk, Lived Wymondham, Norfolk, England. Weaver.


    Meet the challenge whether you can name only a few, or better me. Anywhere in the world.
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    I was pretty successful in assembling the 3x GGF list but this is a different ballgame. Most of my ancestors in that generation only have church records. If i'm lucky they died in the early 19th century and the clerk wrote down their last job in the civil death records.

    It is a nice game to get me to actually research the jobs and wealth of the pre-1800 people through wills & testaments, so I'll take the challenge. Can I come back to you in... a year or so ?
     
    Paternal Y-DNA: R-DF27>Z220>S21184>FGC13557+, DYS487=Null, MDKA: Arnoldus Otten, d. 1721 Schinnen, Netherlands (FTDNA: N126593)
    Paternal mtDNA: U5a2c4, MDKA: Maria de Baur, d 1761, Sittard, Netherlands
    Paternal grandmother Y-DNA: R-U106>Z18>S17721+, MDKA: Adriaan Petri Brouwers, Oosterhout, Netherlands
    Maternal Y-DNA: R-U152>Y22447+, MDKA: Göttgens, confirmed NPE (FGC: X5ZNK)
    Maternal mtDNA: H3-T152C!, MDKA: Helena Cuijpers, d. 1778 Spaubeek, Netherlands

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    I have a few I'll throw up tomorrow.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

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    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Here a table of my 7th generation.
    Laboureur = Agricultural labourer
    Tisserand = Weaver
    Fileuse = spinner woomen (weaver)

    In the countryside, many of the wife of the farmers were woven and sold their produce on the markets

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    I don't know all of them, but of those I do know *and* whose vocation I know:

    Anton Steinkamp, b. 1804, Senden, Westfalen, Germany: Farmer
    Johann Heinrich Trippel, b. 1789 Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany: Farmer
    Friedrich Bub, b. 1798, Lobloch, Pfalz, Germany: Vintner
    Bernhard Suppiger, b. 1813, Sursee/ Luzern, Switzerland: Miller, later became a property owner and ran a hotel, then was post master
    Thomas Day, Sr., b. 1807, Rockingham County, Virginia: Teamster
    Samuel Hull, b. 1806, Fleming County, Kentucky: Farmer
    Samuel Sanner, b. 1803, Northumberland, Pennsylvania: Farmer
    Henry Schoonover, b. 1788, Walpack, New Jersey: Farmer

    Several of my 4x GGF I know, but don't have information on what they did for a living. Lot of farmers in my past. For those of you who list "agricultural laborer," does that mean they were farmhands or was it a catch all term including farmers (owned own farm)?

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    I love these lists, let's see, all born around 1800.

    1. landworker (Betuwe).
    2. landworker (Betuwe).
    3. landworker (Betuwe).
    4. landworker (Betuwe).
    5. NPE (Betuwe).
    6. landworker, shopkeeper (Betuwe).
    7. farmer's servant (Betuwe).
    8. carter (Betuwe).
    9. farmer (Utrecht).
    10. carpenter (wife seamstress) (The Hague).
    11. merchant/umbrella maker (Jewish) (Amsterdam/Antwerp).
    12. travelling merchant (Jewish) (Amsterdam).
    13. postholder (Dutch East Indies).
    14. "civilian" (profession not known) (Dutch East Indies).
    15. silk plantation owner (Utrecht > Dutch East Indies).
    16. accountant (Dutch East Indies).
    17. fisher (South-Hollandic islands).
    18. milkman (South-Hollandic islands).
    19. shipman (Friesland).
    20. labourer (South-Hollandic islands).
    21. veg. gardener (South-Hollandic islands).
    22. veg. gardener (wife too) (South-Hollandic islands).
    23. tailor (land of Cleves > South-Hollandic islands).
    24. shoemaker's servant (wife seamstress) (South-Hollandic islands).
    25. shipman's servant (Rotterdam).
    26. shoemaker (wife seamstress) (Rotterdam)
    27. bread baker (Gouda)
    28. hatter (Belgian Limburg > Dordrecht).
    29. smith (wife domestic servant) (Rotterdam)
    30. shoemaker (wife seamstress) (Rotterdam)
    31. rifleman, bricklayer's servant (wife: "water and fire woman", sold hot water/coal) (Rotterdam).
    32. baker's servant, slater (wife milk sellster) (Rotterdam).
    Ancestry (approx.): ~88.25% West-European; 6.25% Jewish; ~4.50% Indonesian; ~1.00% (South?)-Indian.

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    Some of mine survived until the 1841 or 1851 census but in other cases I had to check the baptisms of later children by which time the parish registers were recording father's occupations. Later children's marriage certificates were another source, along with wills and directories.
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    My 4XG grandfather Mwankota Ali was Zanzibari merchant who worked for the Sultan to trade goods which were needed such as spices, glass, gold and ivory. He settled in Mombasa but no one in my family knows why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kostoffj View Post
    I don't know all of them, but of those I do know *and* whose vocation I know:

    Anton Steinkamp, b. 1804, Senden, Westfalen, Germany: Farmer
    Johann Heinrich Trippel, b. 1789 Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany: Farmer
    Friedrich Bub, b. 1798, Lobloch, Pfalz, Germany: Vintner
    Bernhard Suppiger, b. 1813, Sursee/ Luzern, Switzerland: Miller, later became a property owner and ran a hotel, then was post master
    Thomas Day, Sr., b. 1807, Rockingham County, Virginia: Teamster
    Samuel Hull, b. 1806, Fleming County, Kentucky: Farmer
    Samuel Sanner, b. 1803, Northumberland, Pennsylvania: Farmer
    Henry Schoonover, b. 1788, Walpack, New Jersey: Farmer

    Several of my 4x GGF I know, but don't have information on what they did for a living. Lot of farmers in my past. For those of you who list "agricultural laborer," does that mean they were farmhands or was it a catch all term including farmers (owned own farm)?
    Agricultural labourers in 18th and 19th century England were poor often casually employed farm hands. Many lived in tied tenancy cottages. However many had a range of skills such as horsemanship, drainage engineering, thatching, etc. Some were also small farmers with a bit of rented land. Others were often very poor.
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    I made a list of the info that I could extract from the civil records. It is not as bad as I thought last night. But evidently there are quite a few gaps. Funny to see an 80 year difference in birthdates.

    1. need to research, b. 1718, Schinnen, Netherlands (NL)
    2. farmer, b. 1753, Schinnen, NL
    3. cleaner of watches or clocks, b. 1773, Schinnen, NL
    4. land surveyor, b. 1765, Schinnen, NL
    5. NPE, likely from Gellik, Belgium (BE)
    6. farmer, b. 1788, Hoelbeek, BE
    7. farmer, b. 1767, Gellik, BE
    8. wheelwright, b. 1761, Gellik, BE
    9. day laborer, b. 1751, Oosterhout, NL
    10. need to research, b. 1758, Den Bosch, NL
    11. painter (either of houses or of linen) / innkeeper, b. 1763, Zevenbergen, NL
    12. thatcher, b. 1772, Zevenbergen, NL
    13. laborer, b. 1777, Schinnen, NL
    14. farmer, b. 1765, Broeksittard, NL
    15. smith, b. 1779, Wehr, Germany
    16. farmer, b. 1763, Broeksittard, NL
    17. need to research, b. 1762, Schin op Geul, NL
    18. need to research, probably Schin op Geul, NL
    19. need to research, probably Aachen, Germany
    20. need to research, probably Aachen, Germany
    21. need to research, b. 1782, Bardenberg, Germany
    22. need to research, b. 1789, Bardenberg, Germany
    23. smith / farrier / laborer, b. 1788, Herzogenrath, Germany
    24. coalminer, b. 1796, Kerkrade, NL
    25. locksmith (either for doors or for guns) / farmer / weaver of linen, b. 1798, Beek, NL
    26. farmer, b. 1797, Bunde, NL
    27. day laborer, b. 1795, Beek, NL
    28. day laborer, b. 1789, Munstergeleen, NL
    29. day laborer, b. 1759, Beek, NL
    30. tailor, b. 1783, Munstergeleen, NL
    31. locksmith (either for doors or for guns), b. 1800, Hillensberg, Germany
    32. carpenter, b. 1799, Spaubeek, NL
    Last edited by gotten; 10-11-2017 at 01:27 PM.
     
    Paternal Y-DNA: R-DF27>Z220>S21184>FGC13557+, DYS487=Null, MDKA: Arnoldus Otten, d. 1721 Schinnen, Netherlands (FTDNA: N126593)
    Paternal mtDNA: U5a2c4, MDKA: Maria de Baur, d 1761, Sittard, Netherlands
    Paternal grandmother Y-DNA: R-U106>Z18>S17721+, MDKA: Adriaan Petri Brouwers, Oosterhout, Netherlands
    Maternal Y-DNA: R-U152>Y22447+, MDKA: Göttgens, confirmed NPE (FGC: X5ZNK)
    Maternal mtDNA: H3-T152C!, MDKA: Helena Cuijpers, d. 1778 Spaubeek, Netherlands

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