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    K15 oracle post your Jewish results

    K15 is a calculator with many Jewish populations included. Post your oracle results here.


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian 6.35
    2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.52
    3 South_Polish 8.03
    4 Estonian 8.87
    5 Polish 9.02
    6 Southwest_Russian 9.92
    7 Belorussian 10.09
    8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
    9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
    10 Estonian_Polish 11.02
    11 Lithuanian 11.06
    12 Hungarian 11.91
    13 Croatian 12.06
    14 Finnish 12.21
    15 Moldavian 12.67
    16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
    17 East_Finnish 13.44
    18 Southwest_Finnish 14
    19 Erzya 14.84
    20 East_German 15.33


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
    2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
    3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
    4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
    5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
    6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
    7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
    8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
    9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
    10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
    11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
    12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
    13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
    14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
    16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
    17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
    19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
    20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29


    1 Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 6.843214
    2 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.933024
    3 Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.934488
    4 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.939225
    5 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.990501
    6 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.105453
    7 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192209
    8 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192284
    9 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 7.233502
    10 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 7.250309
    11 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.287818
    12 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.330347
    13 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.351576
    14 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.356470
    15 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.361375
    16 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.363062
    17 Estonian + Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.366961
    18 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.373354
    19 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.391855
    20 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.411964

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    I don't know what's your point with this thread, but I always found weird to see some "jewish" in my oracles, given that I don't have any known Jewish ancestry...
    These are my results:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_Italian 6.16
    2 Portuguese 8.21
    3 Spanish_Extremadura 8.67
    4 Spanish_Murcia 8.79
    5 Spanish_Galicia 8.81
    6 Tuscan 9.24
    7 Spanish_Cataluna 9.79
    8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.84
    9 Spanish_Andalucia 11.29
    10 Spanish_Valencia 11.63
    11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.36
    12 French 13.12
    13 Spanish_Cantabria 13.38
    14 Spanish_Aragon 13.85
    15 West_Sicilian 15.13
    16 Southwest_French 15.31
    17 Italian_Abruzzo 15.53
    18 Greek_Thessaly 15.71
    19 Serbian 17.55
    20 Romanian 17.58

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.1% Spanish_Galicia + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.68
    2 85.4% Portuguese + 14.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.69
    3 76.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 23.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.73
    4 74.4% Spanish_Galicia + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.8
    5 85.5% Portuguese + 14.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.87
    6 72.2% Spanish_Galicia + 27.8% South_Italian @ 4.88
    7 76.6% Portuguese + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.94
    8 74.4% Portuguese + 25.6% South_Italian @ 4.96
    9 84.3% Spanish_Galicia + 15.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.97
    10 51.7% Spanish_Galicia + 48.3% Tuscan @ 5.05
    11 71.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 28.1% Italian_Jewish @ 5.06
    12 85.2% Portuguese + 14.8% Samaritan @ 5.06
    13 81.6% Spanish_Galicia + 18.4% Cyprian @ 5.13
    14 54.5% Portuguese + 45.5% Tuscan @ 5.13
    15 83.2% Portuguese + 16.8% Cyprian @ 5.14
    16 81.1% Portuguese + 18.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.16
    17 76.5% Spanish_Galicia + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.17
    18 81.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.2% Samaritan @ 5.19
    19 86.7% Portuguese + 13.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.19
    20 66.6% Spanish_Galicia + 33.4% West_Sicilian @ 5.19

    1 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.136393
    2 French + Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.151567
    3 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.152555
    4 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.183410
    5 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.200840
    6 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.202585
    7 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 5.231678
    8 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.241180
    9 French + Libyan_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.243780
    10 Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.248353
    11 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.252092
    12 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.279253
    13 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.281268
    14 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 5.291353
    15 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.300409
    16 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.306194
    17 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.306554
    18 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.309094
    19 French + Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.310801
    20 Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.316386
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    @emc so you are saying that you don't have any Jewish ancestors but still scoring % Jewish with K15? Is your results with trusted autosomal test also not showing Jewish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    @emc so you are saying that you don't have any Jewish ancestors but still scoring % Jewish with K15? Is your results with trusted autosomal test also not showing Jewish?
    Exactly. My maternal grandfather had a surname of supposed converso origin, but even if it was true, I guess it would be very remote to show up, and I think it should be sephardic, right? MyHeritage says I'm 7.7% AJ, Gencove says I'm 10% AJ and DNA.land says I'm 12%. I read once that Italian ancestry is sometimes mistaken by Ashkenazi, so I think it's because of that,

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    In case of two populations oracles it always seeks two quite distant references to make some results which is roughly similar or closest to your component values.

    Few people are 100% Estonian Pole as in your example, unless they are exactly of this ancestry. So in your case oracle added some exotic percentage to very NE-Euro Estonian Pole reference, to make you more average Pole.

    In K15 it's not the case but I have similar situation in K13 for example.

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    My K15. Oracle gives me some North Caucasian in 2_Oracle, in 4-ORacle my results are normal. Also I included K15 nMonte.
    What is your Oracle-4 in K15?


    Oracle-2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Russian_Smolensk 2.33
    2 Estonian_Polish 2.81
    3 Belorussian 3.12
    4 Southwest_Russian 3.63
    5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 3.75
    6 Polish 5.22
    7 South_Polish 6.59
    8 Lithuanian 6.62
    9 Ukrainian 7.7
    10 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.25
    11 Estonian 9.27
    12 Kargopol_Russian 9.69
    13 Erzya 11.36
    14 Croatian 11.59
    15 East_Finnish 13.75
    16 Moldavian 14.04
    17 Finnish 14.76
    18 Hungarian 15.16
    19 Southwest_Finnish 15.28
    20 Austrian 15.74

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% North_Ossetian @ 1.77
    2 96.4% Estonian_Polish + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 1.79
    3 96.3% Estonian_Polish + 3.7% Georgian @ 1.8
    4 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Adygei @ 1.81
    5 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Kabardin @ 1.85
    6 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Chechen @ 1.85
    7 96% Estonian_Polish + 4% Ossetian @ 1.86
    8 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Balkar @ 1.87
    9 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Kumyk @ 1.98
    10 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Lezgin @ 2
    11 62.9% Russian_Smolensk + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.03
    12 95.9% Estonian_Polish + 4.1% Tabassaran @ 2.09
    13 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.16
    14 88.3% Russian_Smolensk + 11.7% Lithuanian @ 2.18
    15 73.8% Russian_Smolensk + 26.2% Belorussian @ 2.19
    16 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.2
    17 96.9% Estonian_Polish + 3.1% Armenian @ 2.21
    18 82.9% Russian_Smolensk + 17.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.25
    19 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Kurdish @ 2.25
    20 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Iranian @ 2.25



    Oracle-4

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Russian_Smolensk @ 2.561591
    2 Estonian_Polish @ 3.168669
    3 Belorussian @ 3.530670
    4 Southwest_Russian @ 4.039483
    5 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.290285
    6 Polish @ 6.025050
    7 Lithuanian @ 7.541246
    8 South_Polish @ 7.589679
    9 Ukrainian @ 8.827595
    10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 9.522902
    11 Kargopol_Russian @ 10.494784
    12 Estonian @ 10.599545
    13 Erzya @ 12.609409
    14 Croatian @ 13.299293
    15 East_Finnish @ 14.944500
    16 Moldavian @ 16.129957
    17 Finnish @ 16.618792
    18 La_Brana-1 @ 17.026476
    19 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.477121
    20 Hungarian @ 17.515644

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian_Polish +50% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
    1 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.117628
    2 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491
    3 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.205514
    4 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892
    5 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.232244
    6 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.279731
    7 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.294672
    8 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.321060
    9 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.391739
    10 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.412988
    11 Belorussian + Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.421382
    12 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.445612
    13 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.454192
    14 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.459185
    15 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.474267
    16 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.488258
    17 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.494692
    18 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.504669
    19 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.510432
    20 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.544165


    nMonte
    Estonian_Polish 75.45
    Russian_Smolensk 10.65
    Lithuanian 7.55
    North_Ossetian 3.55
    Belorussian 1.65
    Somali 0.60
    French_Basque 0.25
    Chechen 0.10
    Ukrainian_Belgorod 0.10
    Yoruban 0.10
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    Quote Originally Posted by emc View Post
    Exactly. My maternal grandfather had a surname of supposed converso origin, but even if it was true, I guess it would be very remote to show up, and I think it should be sephardic, right? MyHeritage says I'm 7.7% AJ, Gencove says I'm 10% AJ and DNA.land says I'm 12%. I read once that Italian ancestry is sometimes mistaken by Ashkenazi, so I think it's because of that,
    You never know could be real?

    I am getting...

    8-12% Iberian/Sardinian

    4-9% Eastern Mediterranean/Balkan/Mediterranean Islander

    0% Ashkenazi with Ancestry, Dnaland, WeGene, Geneplaza, Gencove.

    I score 2.9% Ashkenazi with MyHeritage
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-11-2017 at 11:07 AM.

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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 4.98
    2 French 8.03
    3 South_Dutch 8.38
    4 Southwest_English 9.34
    5 Southeast_English 10.68
    6 North_Dutch 10.88
    7 North_German 11.17
    8 Danish 11.98
    9 Irish 12.21
    10 Norwegian 12.21
    11 Orcadian 12.3
    12 Swedish 12.56
    13 East_German 12.56
    14 West_Scottish 12.66
    15 West_Norwegian 13.2
    16 Spanish_Galicia 13.87
    17 Hungarian 14.71
    18 North_Swedish 15.28
    19 Spanish_Cataluna 15.4
    20 Portuguese 15.5

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.7% West_German + 5.3% Sardinian @ 4.42
    2 86.3% West_German + 13.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.53
    3 89.3% West_German + 10.7% Portuguese @ 4.66
    4 90.1% West_German + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.67
    5 92.1% West_German + 7.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.73
    6 92.4% West_German + 7.6% North_Italian @ 4.75
    7 90.7% West_German + 9.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.75
    8 91.9% West_German + 8.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.75
    9 81.9% West_German + 18.1% French @ 4.78
    10 93.9% West_German + 6.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.8
    11 92.9% West_German + 7.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.8
    12 94.1% West_German + 5.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.81
    13 99% West_German + 1% Papuan @ 4.81
    14 93.8% West_German + 6.2% Southwest_French @ 4.81
    15 97.1% West_German + 2.9% Moroccan @ 4.82
    16 94.1% West_German + 5.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.83
    17 94.7% West_German + 5.3% Tuscan @ 4.83
    18 97.2% West_German + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.84
    19 94.2% West_German + 5.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.84
    20 98.9% West_German + 1.1% NAN_Melanesian @ 4.85


    Oracle 4:
     
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 West_German @ 5.550035
    2 French @ 9.218991
    3 South_Dutch @ 9.629653
    4 Southwest_English @ 10.775503
    5 Southeast_English @ 12.278201
    6 North_Dutch @ 12.409994
    7 North_German @ 12.687652
    8 Danish @ 13.650405
    9 Norwegian @ 13.970822
    10 Irish @ 13.984384
    11 Orcadian @ 14.147390
    12 Swedish @ 14.309051
    13 West_Scottish @ 14.518823
    14 East_German @ 14.521925
    15 West_Norwegian @ 15.117925
    16 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.826862
    17 Hungarian @ 16.988859
    18 North_Swedish @ 17.444773
    19 Portuguese @ 17.811918
    20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.836416

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 5.550035


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% West_German +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 5.550035


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
    1 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.321383
    2 French + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.392836
    3 Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.431281
    4 Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.448535
    5 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.546152
    6 West_German + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.550035
    7 Portuguese + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.624571
    8 North_Italian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.662758
    9 North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.676291
    10 Portuguese + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.727392
    11 North_Italian + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.843830
    12 Norwegian + Portuguese + West_German + West_German @ 5.868400
    13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.887010
    14 Portuguese + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.935018
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.953039
    16 North_Italian + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 5.970582
    17 French + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_German @ 5.972502
    18 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.990506
    19 Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.997509
    20 Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 6.015418


    5% AJ on Jtest, none on Geneplaza and Gencove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    You never know could be real?

    I am getting...

    8-12% Iberian/Sardinian

    4-9% Eastern Mediterranean/Balkan/Mediterranean Islander

    0% Ashkenazi with Ancestry, Dnaland, WeGene, Geneplaza, Gencove.

    I score 2.9% Ashkenazi with MyHeritage
    Well, the thing is... I don't know! It can be real or not, but unfortunately Autosomal tests can't confirm or deny it. Lukasz has a point: I don't know about your ancestry, but I'm mixed. I'm only Portuguese and Italian, but neither of my parents is "pure", they are both mixed too. So I'm not exactly Italian nor Portuguese. Maybe there's some part of my data that the Oracle can't explain and thus it's interpreted as Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emc View Post
    Well, the thing is... I don't know! It can be real or not, but unfortunately Autosomal tests can't confirm or deny it. Lukasz has a point: I don't know about your ancestry, but I'm mixed. I'm only Portuguese and Italian, but neither of my parents is "pure", they are both mixed too. So I'm not exactly Italian nor Portuguese. Maybe there's some part of my data that the Oracle can't explain and thus it's interpreted as Jewish.
    I am 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Jewish

    6 Polish/Ukrainian great-grandparents

    1 Bulgarian great-grandparent

    1 Sephardic or (Pan-Jewish?) great-grandparent

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