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    Any information on YP355>YP618(YP609)

    Does anyone know broad a scope YP609 covers under YP355?

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    As of now the R1a Project has only identified three members of the YP618 branch. You may have seen the R1a-Z284 tree at http://eng.molgen.org/download/file....=926&mode=view.

    One of those three is my grandmother's father's Y lineage, traced back to the 16th century at the east coast of Mid-Sweden. The other two are traced back to the 17th century at the west coast of southern Sweden and to the 18th century in Mid-Norway. The distribution indicates a spread during, or short before, the Viking age.

    From the BigY matches we now see a fourth member of the YP618 group. And I think that might be you, is that so? In that case - Welcome to our small "YP618 family"! :-)

    Where do your Y-line originate? In Scandinavia or in the Brittish Isles?

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    Well my paper trail leads to Ireland, but the DNA seems to be either NW England or western Wales. I'm YP355. I just noticed that YP 609 was linked with YP618 and was wondering if the latter had some overlap with YP355 or only with YP609.

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    Both YP609 and YP618 are downstream YP355. And they are both present in the three members i mentioned above. There are still too few tested people to know if YP609 is upstream of YP618 or the other way around. Are you the Orr that have tested the BigY? In that case this indicates that all Orr's in the Orr family project are R1a-YP618.

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    Hi Peter,

    No I am a Smith= 309012 classified as 8.YP355 B2A in the R1a1a family tree group.

    No one has tested for the Big Y yet in my group. YP609 while close doesn't seem to cover my subcluster, but I'm unsure of the YP619 SNP

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    Hello!

    I´m new here. I have tested positive for YP355 and YP618. My earliest known ancestor came from Germany to Norway before 1620. Since then all my forefathers have lived here in Norway. I have checked the haplogroup of a distant cousin and it seems to be correct. We share the son of this ancestor as a common ancestor (we descend from 2 brothers who were grandchildren of the earliest known).

    I was a bit surprised that I´m of Nordic descend, not German or East European. Most of my FTDNA and Genebase matches (I tested 67 STR by both) are of Norwegian, Swedish or English (British Isles) descend, but none close (a lot with 25 markers with GD 0, but no one at 37 or 67). So maybe my forefathers came to the Isles with the Vikings and later emigrated to Germany and then back to Norway? My earliest known was a skilled miner.

    I thought you might be interested
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    I would suggest joining the R1a group at Family Tree DNA. There are several individuals who have the YP618 SNP

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/

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    I am kit number 219398 in the Orr yDNA project. I have done individual SNPs and tested positive to YP355. I am debating having the Big Y test done while it is on sale but it is still very expensive. I am trying to understand what it will really provide me. By the way myself and kit # 170779 in the Orr yDNA project have a most recent Orr common ancestor at nine generations. It looks like he has done a SNP pack of Big Y. Can anyone give me a convincing reason to upgrade to Big Y.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSj View Post
    Both YP609 and YP618 are downstream YP355. And they are both present in the three members i mentioned above. There are still too few tested people to know if YP609 is upstream of YP618 or the other way around. Are you the Orr that have tested the BigY? In that case this indicates that all Orr's in the Orr family project are R1a-YP618.

    Actually we have advanced knowledge of YP355 far more than this, and it is very clear that YP618 is downstream of YP609. There are now 17 Big Y test results in YP618+, all also YP609+, and a further 8 which are YP609+ but YP618-. A detailed tree of YP355 showing all branches so far revealed through Big Y testing can be seen in this thread in this list : http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...gt-YP355/page4, with the most recent posted tree in post #31.

    There are also 5 Big Y results for YP1120, which is a sibling to YP609, plus just one so far that is YP355* (negative for all known subclades.) So the extent of YP609 below YP355 is 25/31 Big Y results, or about 80% so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretzelBoy
    I am kit number 219398 in the Orr yDNA project. I have done individual SNPs and tested positive to YP355. I am debating having the Big Y test done while it is on sale but it is still very expensive. I am trying to understand what it will really provide me. By the way myself and kit # 170779 in the Orr yDNA project have a most recent Orr common ancestor at nine generations. It looks like he has done a SNP pack of Big Y. Can anyone give me a convincing reason to upgrade to Big Y.

    We have now advanced knowledge of YP355 far more than in the above thread: There are now 17 Big Y test results in YP618+, all also YP609+, and a further 8 which are YP609+ but YP618-. A detailed tree of YP355 showing all branches so far revealed through Big Y testing can be seen in this thread in this list : http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...gt-YP355/page4 , with the most recent posted tree in post #31.

    There are also 5 Big Y results for YP1120, which is a sibling to YP609, plus just one so far that is YP355* (negative for all known subclades.) So the extent of YP609 below YP355 is 25/31 Big Y results, or about 80% so far.

    Kit 170779 has actually done the Big Y test, which can be seen on my tree as a singleton branch of YP609. If you are related to him 9 generations back, then I would think the Big Y test will be very informative to both of you, and all Orrs.

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