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    Question BigY move to hg38

    Is this likely to affect us greatly ? Will we move haplogroups?
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    I don't believe so, for me. Most of those close to my on my BigY list (not yet updated, for me) have tested with YFull. My closest match there is 700 years in TMRCA. I suspect my revised BigY classification will align with the Yull, which is currently at least 2 branches down from what FTDNA says.

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    I'm not sure what we'll get out of this change, but if FTDNA's Big Y matches thingy improves, that at least will be something. It hasn't been very good up until now.
     


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    My Big-y reprocess has complted , still shows MC21 and no matches as yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simdadams View Post
    My Big-y reprocess has complted , still shows MC21 and no matches as yet.
    Did you have any matches before the big switcheroo? If so, then we're just waiting for them to get their updated Big Y results.

    I'm still waiting for the one other guy at my terminal SNP (likely my 5th cousin) to get his updated Big Y results. In the meantime, it seems to me FTDNA's new Big Y matching system is light years ahead of the old one. My matches (back one and two steps upstream) are actual matches and not just a motley crew of nearly everyone in R1b Land like it was before.
    Last edited by rms2; 11-02-2017 at 12:55 AM.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I think we’re going to have to wait this one out for a while.

    They initially finished my transfer quickly but I only had one match, as opposed to 51 before. However, he was the closest match I have. Then I gradually made my way up to four matches and they were all correctly placed on my SNP tree. So things were looking good.

    Then a few days ago, they took them all away and I now have 0 matches. Which is surprising because I know all four of those matches have finished being updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Did you have any matches before the big switcheroo? If so, then we're just waiting for them to get their updated Big Y results.

    I'm still waiting for the one other guy at my terminal SNP (likely my 5th cousin) to get his updated Big Y results. In the meantime, it seems to me FTDNA's new Big Y matching system is light years ahead of the old one. My matches (back one and two steps upstream) are actual matches and not just a motley crew of nearly everyone in R1b Land like it was before.
    Yes I had matches before , from what you say it sounds a big improvement , thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Did you have any matches before the big switcheroo? If so, then we're just waiting for them to get their updated Big Y results.

    I'm still waiting for the one other guy at my terminal SNP (likely my 5th cousin) to get his updated Big Y results. In the meantime, it seems to me FTDNA's new Big Y matching system is light years ahead of the old one. My matches (back one and two steps upstream) are actual matches and not just a motley crew of nearly everyone in R1b Land like it was before.
    I have been very disappointed in the matching. There are two kits in my group that should show matches but do not, not even three or four levels up. The only matches I have seen is between kits that have family SNPs.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    I have been very disappointed in the matching. There are two kits in my group that should show matches but do not, not even three or four levels up. The only matches I have seen is between kits that have family SNPs.
    Overall I think that is what is best in the long term. Matches several levels up goes to far back in time to be genealogically relevant. That was part of the problem with the old system. Having few or no matches drives the decision of getting extended family members and "close" STR matches to do the test to flesh out the structure closer to modern times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cofgene View Post
    Overall I think that is what is best in the long term. Matches several levels up goes to far back in time to be genealogically relevant. That was part of the problem with the old system. Having few or no matches drives the decision of getting extended family members and "close" STR matches to do the test to flesh out the structure closer to modern times.
    I strongly disagree. There are many (most people that post on this forum) that want to trace their matches back to the pre-surname era. The old system showed matched based on the number of SNPs and this often fell back on the quality of the sample. It did not take into account matches on the tree.
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    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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