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    Unfortunately on 23andMe I am H1c. On LivingDNA I am H1c3. Only FTDNA gave me the extra b.

    I did think LivingDNA would at least offer the deeper analysis, especially as their autosomal is supposedly back 10 generations.

    FTDNA:


    LivingDNA:

    257G
    263G
    477C
    1438G
    3010A
    4769G
    8860G

    23andMe:
    Last edited by Solothurn; 06-23-2020 at 12:32 PM.
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    Unfortunately on 23andMe I am H1c. On LivingDNA I am H1c3. Only FTDNA gave me the extra b.

    I did think LivingDNA would at least offer the deeper analysis, especially as their autosomal is supposedly back 10 generations.

    LivingDNA:

    257G
    263G
    477C
    1438G
    3010A
    4769G
    8860G

    23andMe:
    I have the exact same seven references from Living Dna. 23 & Me, Raw Data, also confirmed my match with the Y Full MTree Subclade H1c3 with the other additional identifying reference *T8473C.

    There is a lot more information within the 23 & me raw data, but I have no match to any further subclade beyond H1c3 yet.

    Some time ago Y Full Mtree changed the information with more detailed references which seemed to of gave me H1c3b, the changes at the time were from H1c3 to H-c1m2c23d11e, and H1c32, but then it reverted back to H1c3, again.
    Last edited by Paul333; 06-23-2020 at 10:57 AM.

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    On 23 I have T8473C Not determined. This is probably why I only get H1c.

    There are three possible H1c3 subclades on FTDNA but your deep SNPs are probably hidden ☹️

    H1c3* - 12966T Predictive new sub branch

    H1c3* - 13215C 16186T Predictive new sub branch

    H1c3* - 3278C Predictive new sub branch


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul333 View Post
    I have the exact same seven references from Living Dna. 23 & Me, Raw Data, also confirmed my match with the Y Full MTree Subclade H1c3 with the other additional identifying reference *T8473C.

    There is a lot more information within the 23 & me raw data, but I have no match to any further subclade beyond H1c3 yet.

    Some time ago Y Full Mtree changed the information with more detailed references which seemed to of gave me H1c3b, the changes at the time were from H1c3 to H-c1m2c23d11e, and H1c32, but then it reverted back to H1c3, again.
    Last edited by Solothurn; 06-23-2020 at 11:10 AM.
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    On 23 I have T8473C Not determined. This is probably why I only get H1c.

    There are three possible H1c3 subclades on FTDNA but your deep SNPs are probably hidden ☹️

    H1c3* - 12966T Predictive new sub branch

    H1c3* - 13215C 16186T Predictive new sub branch

    H1c3* - 3278C Predictive new sub branch
    Checked them, and the only one I have is,13215'T', rather than 'C', the others are missing.

    The only other I have is with your FTDNA entries is 16362C, I have a 'T' 16362T, all the others are missing.

    Looked at those references,and another on YFull Mtree they represent the following new subclades-
    T8504C=H1c3c
    C12966T=H1c3d
    T3278C=H1c3e
    T13215C=H1c3f

    I have no match to these.
    Last edited by Paul333; 06-23-2020 at 07:05 PM.

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    Thanks for the update on the new clades Paul
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Geneanet is offering haplogroups now, turns out my maternal grandma and I seem to be all but confirmed H1c3b after using that James Lick tool, from my previous post.

    I always thought it made sense since my grandma is French and H1 is frequent around the Atlantic side of Iberia and France. After looking at yFull, I see an overwhelming amount of Dane samples on H1c3 - which confirms the suspected Scandinavian origin mentioned on this thread.

    My question, maybe more rhetorical - did this line come south when? I think I read H1c3b is 2000 years old or so.

    It’s all very fascinating. I think I might invest in FTDNA’s mtDNA test during the holidays to see if I can learn more.
    Maternal grandfather: born in Leningrad Oblast, Russia (1928)
    Maternal grandmother: born in Centre-Val de Loire, France (1927) - earliest documented ancestor (1770) Indre, France
    Paternal grandmother: born in the US - earliest documented ancestors (c. 1800) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Lower Saxony
    Paternal grandfather: born in the US - paternal grandparents born in Danzig (c. 1854), maternal grandparents born in Kolding, Denmark 1875, maternal great grandma born in Lindberg, Sweden 1849

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    Hi H1c3b cousin

    I looked at the H1 match/map page here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...rame=mtresults

    Maybe change the page view to 2500 to see H1c3b

    only match I have with French ancestry is Kit
    IN43578 albeit GD of 3. Their ancestor Catherine BUGARET. I don’t know where in France.





    Quote Originally Posted by boilermeschew827 View Post
    Geneanet is offering haplogroups now, turns out my maternal grandma and I seem to be all but confirmed H1c3b after using that James Lick tool, from my previous post.

    I always thought it made sense since my grandma is French and H1 is frequent around the Atlantic side of Iberia and France. After looking at yFull, I see an overwhelming amount of Dane samples on H1c3 - which confirms the suspected Scandinavian origin mentioned on this thread.

    My question, maybe more rhetorical - did this line come south when? I think I read H1c3b is 2000 years old or so.

    It’s all very fascinating. I think I might invest in FTDNA’s mtDNA test during the holidays to see if I can learn more.
    Last edited by Solothurn; 10-19-2020 at 08:41 AM.
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Villefranche Du Queyran,Gascony, France (possibly)
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    Hi H1c3b cousin

    I looked at the H1 match/map page here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...rame=mtresults

    Maybe change the page view to 2500 to see H1c3b

    only match I have with French ancestry is Kit
    IN43578 albeit GD of 3. Their ancestor Catherine BUGARET. I don’t know where in France.

    I have 16223C, on my MTDNA raw data from 23 & Me. There is an entry 833203 on the list for ' Martha Merry, born,England 1805 who is also H1c3b, and has,T16223C.
    Last edited by Paul333; 10-19-2020 at 04:55 PM.

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