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    I went to the World Haplogroup Predictor and punched in the numbers and here is what I got:

    I-M253-AS3 34%, AS9a 27%, T13 13%, ND 11%, uN 7%, AS13 1%, T2 1%. Given these numbers, what would they mean?

    My Y-DNA str markers are: 13, 23, 15, 10, 13-14, 11, 14, 12, 12, 11, 28, 16, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 12-15-16-16, 10, 10, 19-21, 14, 14, 14, 19, 34-34, 13, 10.

    FTDNA told me that the first sample on my I-M253 SNP test failed quality control and there was an administrative error and delays in processing the second sample, so my test results have been pushed back until the middle of November. So I thought I would ask those who know more about this to point me in the right direction. I know that AS stands for Anglo-Saxon, T for transitional, uN for ultra-Norse, but I am not sure about ND. Perhaps it stands for Nordic. By the numbers it looks like ground zero for me is northern Germany and Denmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleerje View Post
    I went to the World Haplogroup Predictor and punched in the numbers and here is what I got:

    I-M253-AS3 34%, AS9a 27%, T13 13%, ND 11%, uN 7%, AS13 1%, T2 1%. Given these numbers, what would they mean?

    My Y-DNA str markers are: 13, 23, 15, 10, 13-14, 11, 14, 12, 12, 11, 28, 16, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 12-15-16-16, 10, 10, 19-21, 14, 14, 14, 19, 34-34, 13, 10.

    FTDNA told me that the first sample on my I-M253 SNP test failed quality control and there was an administrative error and delays in processing the second sample, so my test results have been pushed back until the middle of November. So I thought I would ask those who know more about this to point me in the right direction. I know that AS stands for Anglo-Saxon, T for transitional, uN for ultra-Norse, but I am not sure about ND. Perhaps it stands for Nordic. By the numbers it looks like ground zero for me is northern Germany and Denmark.
    ND = Norse-Danish? If I recall correctly.

    I-M253-AS3 haplotypes tend to be Z382+, which is downstream of Z2040, which is downstream of Z59. I seem to recall I-M253-AS9a is an L22+.

    Each time you run the predictor the results may be different each time, SNP results will definitely give more certain results. I would take a crack at the NEVGEN predictor.

    Please note that AS, N, uN, ND, T are all terms of organization and do not necessarily reflect ethnic origins.
    Last edited by spruithean; 10-31-2017 at 12:56 AM.

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    You are correct. Thanks for the tip. I went on NevGen and these are the results: I1>Z58>Z59>Z2040>Z382>S26361.

    But when I went to FTDNA and compared their SNP Map for L22 to my Matches Map, the matches on the SNP Map for L22 corresponded better to my Matches Map than Z59 did.
    Last edited by cleerje; 10-31-2017 at 03:34 AM.

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    According to Yfull, S26361 hails from the Stockholm area of Sweden 3,400 ybp, while the TMRCA is 3,300 ybp. My Gedmatch admixture mentions southern Sweden a lot, along with western Norway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleerje View Post
    According to Yfull, S26361 hails from the Stockholm area of Sweden 3,400 ybp, while the TMRCA is 3,300 ybp. My Gedmatch admixture mentions southern Sweden a lot, along with western Norway.
    Hi Cleerje. I-S26361 probably had a Scandinavian origin prior to its dispersal with the Germanic migrations and Viking explorations. As a result, it can be found all over Europe today in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, England, Ireland, Belgium, and even Sardinia. As more people get tested Iím pretty sure more countries will be added to that list.

    I am two subclades below you at S26361->S16414->FGC24357 and my paternal line goes to Wallonia Belgium. Do you know which European country your paternal line comes from?

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    I am still trying to figure out if my paternal ancestor came from Ireland or England. The Y-STR map from FTDNA shows that I have a large cluster of matches in both England and Sweden. The name Cleere is present in both Ireland and England, but I have many matches in England and a much smaller number in Ireland. So I think my paternal ancestor came from England in the 1600's. But until I know more, that is just conjecture.

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    I finally got the SNP results from FTDNA SNP Pack. I tested positive for I-M253>DF29>Z58>Z138>FGC2435>CTS9857>CTS8716>CTS7267 >CTS3506>CTS2375>CTS12008>CTS11534>CTS11526>CTS10> L841>L80>L509>L125>L121>Z2891>Z2845>Z2845>Z2843>27 15. I've read that Z138 is primarily West Germanic, with a heavy concentration in southeastern England, southern Scotland, northern Wales, and Northern Ireland, but is also present in Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium. To find out more I'll have to pay FTDNA $101.00.

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