Master L1 thread

[Mahalat]

As far as I know y haplogroups L1a, J(J2?) and R2 are associated with Iranian Neolithic Farmers.

Would L being found in Maykop and BMAC sites be the main support for this Iran Neolithic link?

[Yamdut]

Haplogroups L1b and L2- which ancient populations can they be attributed to? Their modern distribution probably makes it less likely for them to be related to IranN.

I find that most diversity of L haplogroup is found among groups like Baloch and Kurds. L1b is found among Kurds, Balochs,etc.

[Arlus]

Would L being found in Maykop and BMAC sites be the main support for this Iran Neolithic link?

While BMAC likely inherited L1a2 from their IranN ancestors I am not sure if Maykop's L2-L595 is IranN related.
Regarding its association with IranN-
-L1a has higher frequency in some IranN rich populations such as South Indian farmer mid castes, balochs.
- An ancient Turkmenistan sample which belongs to IranN cluster has L1a2.
-also I think L1a coincides with nearly ubiquitous presence of IranN ancestry in WANA and Central Asia.

[Arlus]

I find that most diversity of L haplogroup is found among groups like Baloch and Kurds. L1b is found among Kurds, Balochs,etc.

Yes maybe west Asia has higher basal diversity of L. I recall an old study of Iranian Y hgs had L1a1/L1a2/L1b in nearly equal frequencies with a few L*s(L2?) as well.

[Coldmountains]

Yes maybe west Asia has higher basal diversity of L. I recall an old study of Iranian Y hgs had L1a1/L1a2/L1b in nearly equal frequencies with a few L*s(L2?) as well.

It is interesting that almost all the South Central Asian-related or admixed samples from Iron Age Central Asia were L (KNT005, C4273, C1654 ...) and often under very basal clades (mostly L1c but C1654 with a BMAC-shifted Swat_IA profile was not afaik). My guess would be that until the historic era L (mostly L1c) was the most frequent haplogroup among agricultural+sedentary people from the Pamir to Makrani coast region (Pastoralists would probably carry more R1a, Q and so one besides a lot of L too). From my private Y-DNA list of Afghans, i can tell already despite the bad sample size tell that the diversity of L is super high in Afghanistan, especially among Tajiks (Panjshir, Kabul, Parwan, Badakshan,..) and Balochs.

[Yamdut]

While BMAC likely inherited L1a2 from their IranN ancestors I am not sure if Maykop's L2-L595 is IranN related.
Regarding its association with IranN-
-L1a has higher frequency in some IranN rich populations such as South Indian farmer mid castes, balochs.
- An ancient Turkmenistan sample which belongs to IranN cluster has L1a2.
-also I think L1a coincides with nearly ubiquitous presence of IranN ancestry in WANA and Central Asia.

Word midcastes is not appropriate in case of Dravidian Agrarians, rather we should call them Dravidian dominant groups because there is absence of Kshatriya and Vaisya varna in South, and Brahmins are late migrant to region(Steppe Genetics)
Lexicon generally shapes perceptions about history, it is suffice to say that L is one of dominant lineage of upper strata of Dravidian in South along with J2, R2 and H. Moreover, Dalit may be a new terminology for south, some forest tribes may be categorised as Dalit in later agrs because I do not think that prior to brahmin migration, such a varna view persisted among Dravidians.

[Fried]

Population Genetic Study of 17 Y-STR Loci of the Sorani Kurds in the Province of Sulaymaniyah, Iraq
Dlshad Rashid, Balnd M. Albarzinji, Farhad M. Abdulkarim

Resuts:

Haplogroup prediction indicated predominance (28%) of subclade J2 (44/157) in the Sorani Kurds, northeast of Iraq. The pairwise genetic distance results showed that the Kurdish group clustered along with Asian populations, whereas the furthest countries were Europeans and Africans.

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One of the 5 samples (#3) looks like not L-M11.