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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Proto Elamite Dravidian IVC Kura araxes unity!

    Btw, The Parsi priest class(formed after their arrival to India) are around 55% Y-DNA L(mostly L1b with a smaller amount of L1a)


    We da real civilization builders - bloody Siberian Indo-Europeans taking our fertile land in Iran and India

    What subclade are you Jesus?

    yes that chimes in with this research - though Indian Parsis are bottlenecked AF due to founder effects:

    Given the small effective population size of the Parsis, the closeness of their match to the Iranian data may be fortuitous, and the presence of haplogroup 28 chromosomes at 18% (4% in Iran; Wells et al. 2001) suggests some gene flow from the surrounding populations. The TMRCA for the Parsi-specific cluster in the haplogroup 28 networks was 1,800 (600–4,500) years (table 8), consistent with the migration of a small number of lineages from Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post


    We da real civilization builders - bloody Siberian Indo-Europeans taking our fertile land in Iran and India

    What subclade are you Jesus?

    yes that chimes in with this research - though Indian Parsis are bottlenecked AF due to founder effects:

    Given the small effective population size of the Parsis, the closeness of their match to the Iranian data may be fortuitous, and the presence of haplogroup 28 chromosomes at 18% (4% in Iran; Wells et al. 2001) suggests some gene flow from the surrounding populations. The TMRCA for the Parsi-specific cluster in the haplogroup 28 networks was 1,800 (600–4,500) years (table 8), consistent with the migration of a small number of lineages from Iran.
    I fall under L1b, the west Asian/Caucasian/European version of L. Apparently Parsis carry the same mutation as myself and Norfolk(SK1414) but their STR values are a bit different.

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    If I recall, there was a L-SK1414 tracing from Azores (Portuguese sea trade routes), that had an STR marker, that the Pakistan survey associated with Parsi. Or have I got this wrong?
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    My STRs are closest to the other English family. Then maybe to a guy who's line came from Birjand, Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    If I recall, there was a L-SK1414 tracing from Azores (Portuguese sea trade routes), that had an STR marker, that the Pakistan survey associated with Parsi. Or have I got this wrong?
    Trade connection is posssible. I remember a Corsican Y-DNA T member with the last name Parsi, I think he claimed Persian/middle eastern connection too. I found out that he shares 8 cm with a Persian guy from southern Fars/Pars province(that area is close to the coast and Famous for trade and pirates).

    There are also Persians/Azeri Catholic converts in Iberia from modern day Iran(they left in the 1500s-1600s and worked as ambassadors/traders).
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Juan_of_Persia

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    I took AncestryDNA so they don't give the haplogroup analysis like 23andme. I got my haplogroups from wegene after transferring the fiel from ancestrydna. I got L1a1 for paternal and J1 for maternal. My paternal makes sense based on my region, but my maternal seems weird. Can you guys confirm if wegene's haplogroups are accurate or not?

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    L-SK1414 (L1b2c) is growing on the FT-DNA Project, from when Gareth spotted my SNP in that Balochi sample in the Pakistan survey, following my Big Y - now with the STR predictions and the L SNP chip. I'm seeing it in England, Lebanon, Central Europe, Italy, Portugal, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Cyprus, and Turkey now. I see Gareth has us split into four sections at the moment. FT-DNA added my FGC51036 to the SNP chip, but no other tester has yet tested positive for that one.

    I think L-SK1414 has multiple entry into Europe judging by the diversity. The only Big Y so far are myself and the Druze sample, but we were pretty far apart. More Big Y should provide new sub clades under L1b2c.

    The L-PH8 guys are quiet in this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    I took AncestryDNA so they don't give the haplogroup analysis like 23andme. I got my haplogroups from wegene after transferring the fiel from ancestrydna. I got L1a1 for paternal and J1 for maternal. My paternal makes sense based on my region, but my maternal seems weird. Can you guys confirm if wegene's haplogroups are accurate or not?
    J1 is a middle-eastern/caucasus origin mtdna - maybe it was one of the mtdnas of IVC peoples but was largely diluted by indigenous mtdna M which might explain why you have it

    The Kalash have both high levels of ydna L and mtdna J
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Thats a very rare subclade in India, what caste was he?

    Most Indians & Baluchis belong to L1a-M76 like myself, and the greatest L diversity now is in Southwestern Pakistan

    Kalash mostly belong to L1c
    India is very poorly sampled.
    The only reasonable sized sample set turned up L1c in nearly all TN populations.
    Arunkumar's Tamil data:
    DYS389I DYS389II DYS390 DYS456 DYS19 DYS458 DYS437 DYS438 DYS448 DYSGATAH4 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS439 DYS635 DYS388 DYS426

    162 Paliyan L3-M357 14 17 22 15 15 17 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 23 12 10
    163 Paliyan L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 9 19 11 10 14 12 12 20 12 11
    164 Paliyan L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 21 12 11
    228 Pulayar L3-M357 12 17 22 14 14 16 16 9 19 11 10 14 12 13 21 12 11
    376 Thoda L3-M357 13 16 22 14 15 17 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 22 12 11
    612 Parayar L3-M357 13 17 22 15 14 20 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 20 12 11
    638 Parayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 21 12 11
    681 Pallar L3-M357 14 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 18 11 10 14 13 12 22 12 11
    682 Pallar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 11 21 -- --
    683 Pallar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 -- 12 12 21 -- --
    923 Vanniyar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 22 12 11
    924 Vanniyar L3-M357 13 16 23 16 16 18 16 10 19 12 10 14 12 13 22 12 12
    1155 PiramalaiKallar L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 22 12 11
    1294 Valayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 13 12 21 12 11
    1295 Valayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 13 13 21 12 11
    1391 Tamil Jains L3-M357 13 16 21 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 11 14 13 11 21 12 11
    1392 Tamil Jains L3-M357 13 -- 22 14 -- 18 16 10 19 11 11 13 12 21 12 11
    1500 Ezhava L3-M357 13 16 23 15 17 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 11 22 12 11
    1645 VadamaBrahmin L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 23 12 11

    It shows far more STR diversity that all L1c from northern South Asia, Central Asia, and Caucasus combined.
    The Vadama have the northern type STR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    India is very poorly sampled.
    The only reasonable sized sample set turned up L1c in nearly all TN populations.
    Arunkumar's Tamil data:
    DYS389I DYS389II DYS390 DYS456 DYS19 DYS458 DYS437 DYS438 DYS448 DYSGATAH4 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS439 DYS635 DYS388 DYS426

    162 Paliyan L3-M357 14 17 22 15 15 17 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 23 12 10
    163 Paliyan L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 9 19 11 10 14 12 12 20 12 11
    164 Paliyan L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 21 12 11
    228 Pulayar L3-M357 12 17 22 14 14 16 16 9 19 11 10 14 12 13 21 12 11
    376 Thoda L3-M357 13 16 22 14 15 17 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 22 12 11
    612 Parayar L3-M357 13 17 22 15 14 20 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 20 12 11
    638 Parayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 21 12 11
    681 Pallar L3-M357 14 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 18 11 10 14 13 12 22 12 11
    682 Pallar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 11 21 -- --
    683 Pallar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 -- 12 12 21 -- --
    923 Vanniyar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 22 12 11
    924 Vanniyar L3-M357 13 16 23 16 16 18 16 10 19 12 10 14 12 13 22 12 12
    1155 PiramalaiKallar L3-M357 13 17 22 15 15 19 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 13 22 12 11
    1294 Valayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 13 12 21 12 11
    1295 Valayar L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 13 13 21 12 11
    1391 Tamil Jains L3-M357 13 16 21 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 11 14 13 11 21 12 11
    1392 Tamil Jains L3-M357 13 -- 22 14 -- 18 16 10 19 11 11 13 12 21 12 11
    1500 Ezhava L3-M357 13 16 23 15 17 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 11 22 12 11
    1645 VadamaBrahmin L3-M357 13 16 22 15 15 18 16 10 19 11 10 14 12 12 23 12 11

    It shows far more STR diversity that all L1c from northern South Asia, Central Asia, and Caucasus combined.
    The Vadama have the northern type STR.

    Thanks!

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