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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    J1 is a middle-eastern/caucasus origin mtdna - maybe it was one of the mtdnas of IVC peoples but was largely diluted by indigenous mtdna M which might explain why you have it

    The Kalash have both high levels of ydna L and mtdna J
    Also, all the Punjabi Arains I've seen (only 4) have mtDNA J1
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    Nomenclature updates can be so confusing. I just had to check up, so for the record ...


    Y haplogroup L3 became renamed L1c, which was renamed again as L1a2 (L-M357). That helps me! L3 or L1c under ISOGG 2017 are L1a2. Please continue. ;-) The mysterious L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    L-SK1414 (L1b2c) is growing on the FT-DNA Project, from when Gareth spotted my SNP in that Balochi sample in the Pakistan survey, following my Big Y - now with the STR predictions and the L SNP chip. I'm seeing it in England, Lebanon, Central Europe, Italy, Portugal, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Cyprus, and Turkey now. I see Gareth has us split into four sections at the moment. FT-DNA added my FGC51036 to the SNP chip, but no other tester has yet tested positive for that one.

    I think L-SK1414 has multiple entry into Europe judging by the diversity. The only Big Y so far are myself and the Druze sample, but we were pretty far apart. More Big Y should provide new sub clades under L1b2c.

    The L-PH8 guys are quiet in this thread!
    Is the Baloch sample from HGDP? Do you know which sample exactly? I'm trying to find all the HGDP samples y-HG. There was some y-data attached to the samples on y-str.org and when you ran that, all the Baloch samples were L. I assumed it was inaccurate so I didn't add them.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    I haven't gone through my whole list yet, but here are the few L's I've come across so far:

    AFG; KANDAHAR - Pashtun [Ayubi] F > GHIJK > HIJK > IJK > K > LT > L > L-M22 > L-M2481 > L-L1307
    SINDH - [heksindhi] F > GHIJK > HIJK > IJK > K > LT > L > L-M22 > L-M2481 > L-L1307 > L-L1307*
    AFG - Pashtun [Barakzai] F > GHIJK > HIJK > IJK > K > LT > L > L-M22 > L-M2481 > L-L1307 > L-L1307*
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    Nomenclature updates can be so confusing. I just had to check up, so for the record ...


    Y haplogroup L3 became renamed L1c, which was renamed again as L1a2 (L-M357). That helps me! L3 or L1c under ISOGG 2017 are L1a2. Please continue. ;-) The mysterious L.
    Haha, this is why I stick the SNPs, it's much easier to keep track of.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    @khanabadoshi Qamar Study 2002. "CEPH Human Genome Diversity Panel (HGDP), sample ID HGDP00134, which is a Makrani from Pakistan.".
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Is the Baloch sample from HGDP? Do you know which sample exactly? I'm trying to find all the HGDP samples y-HG. There was some y-data attached to the samples on y-str.org and when you ran that, all the Baloch samples were L. I assumed it was inaccurate so I didn't add them.
    This is probably a biased sample or close relatives, Baluchis do have 25% L but that leaves 75% non-L

    Its like the Raqqah Chechen descendents who all carry L due to founder effect
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    I've read contradicting hypotheses of the origins of the Balochi. Isn't the language considered Iranic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    I've read contradicting hypotheses of the origins of the Balochi. Isn't the language considered Iranic?
    Yep NW Iranian with Kurdish

    My hypothesis is that they are Iranianized Brahuis (Dravidian) since they are genetically indistinguishable from the Brahui

    It could be an earlier split from a Kurd-like population who Iranianized the Brahui - there were later Kurd migrations to Pakistan as well from probably the same source area though these spoke Kurdish

    User @kurd is one of them, he would be best placed to answer this

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    LOL I appreciated this thread so much that I thanked each and every post of it till now, without even reading them. Hope this thread never reaches its end, all the while being educational. Will go through the thread during leisure. But guys, please try to do something like this for the other important Y-DNA haplogroups of India like H, C, O and T also and make the most up-to-date compendium of knowledge and thought about these haplogroups, the sub-haplogroups, etc., to the finest detail. Too much to ask for I know, but letting know what I wish for is perhaps not such a bad idea I think and this is perhaps the best occasion to do that.

    But then, please everyone know that there is absolutely no need for any of us to feel awkward when what I wished for above does not materialise ever lol.

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