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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    North Dagestan can also be more of a Neolithic Caucasian component
    I don't think so. This is not model of ancient components, but based on modern ethnic groups. And no southern European score anything like that. Also my boyfriend is North Caucasian shifted on gedmatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    I don't think so. This is not model of ancient components, but based on modern ethnic groups. And no southern European score anything like that. Also my boyfriend is North Caucasian shifted on gedmatch.
    For example, in FTDNA (modern), I point 14% Southeastern Europe, but that does not mean that I have to do directly with Greeks, for example, but I have Romanian ancestors and my grandmother's motherly side comes from Galicia (south Carpthian region), for example, Romania genetic similarity to Greeks and Bulgarians but ask even one of the more clueless has for example Onur dincer
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    I get pretty high Caucasus on gedmatch too including k36. I haven't done this nmonte thing I don't even know what it is, can you do this without sending anyone your raw dna data?

    Ok I read through some threads.
    It's not simple and quick like gedmatch and geneplaza, meh.
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    The ancient Hungarians originated from the Ural region in today’s central Russia and migrated across the Eastern European steppe, according to historical sources. The Hungarians conquered the Carpathian Basin 895–907 AD, and admixed with the indigenous communities. Here we present mitochondrial DNA results from three datasets: one from the Avar period (7th–9th centuries) of the Carpathian Basin (n = 31); one from the Hungarian conquest-period (n = 76); and a completion of the published 10th–12th century Hungarian-Slavic contact zone dataset by four samples. We compare these mitochondrial DNA hypervariable segment sequences and haplogroup results with published ancient and modern Eurasian data. Whereas the analyzed Avars represents a certain group of the Avar society that shows East and South European genetic characteristics, the Hungarian conquerors’ maternal gene pool is a mixture of West Eurasian and Central and North Eurasian elements. Comprehensively analyzing the results, both the linguistically recorded Finno-Ugric roots and historically documented Turkic and Central Asian influxes had possible genetic imprints in the conquerors’ genetic composition. Our data allows a complex series of historic and population genetic events before the formation of the medieval population of the Carpathian Basin, and the maternal genetic continuity between 10th–12th century and modern Hungarians.
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    Other: 0.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Why go so far back, the Hungarisation of Slovaks and other Slavic minorities in 18-19c. is a well known fact. Some of the leaders of the Hungarian nationalist movement in 19 c. were in fact with Slovak origin. There was some opposition to the Gemanisation of AustroHungary and who had the most glorious past - the Magyars, of course. Hungarian language was introduced at schools and in the mixed regions Slavs preferred to identify as Hungarians.
    Magyarization - Wikipedia
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    Magyarization after "Magyar"—the autonym of Hungarians—was an assimilation or acculturation process by which non-Hungarian nationals came to ...
    ‎Historical context of the ... - ‎Magyarization in the ... - ‎Jews

    I found this very interesting
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    German: 21.9%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 20.0%
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    Mari: 2%
    Moldovan: 0.2%
    Italian_Northeast: 0.2%
    Other: 0.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Here is how my boyfriend is modeled on nMonte:

    Romania_SW 30.75
    Normally, I wouldn't say that, but since I know the person you are referring to, he's probably fuming

    So long for the purity of the Magyar blood that he's been promoting for years on apricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Here is how my boyfriend is modeled on nMonte:

    Austria_Tyrol 35.30
    Romania_SW 30.75
    Lithuanian 20.45
    North_Dagestan 5.85
    Finnish_East 4.05
    Karelian_Tver 2.15

    GR_Istanbul 0.95
    GR_Cyclades 0.25
    Sweden 0.10
    GR_Thrace 0.05
    IT_Tuscany 0.05

    It is not like modern Hungarians have zero recent steppe component. His Finnish and Dagestan admixture certanly came with migrating Magyar tribes, because it is not present in other Central Europeans.
    On a serious note, I'd suggest picking populations from nearby regions for a modern test, instead of going with the full set.
    My results are even wilder than his.
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    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0205920

    "Foundation of the Hungarian state is connected to the conquering Hungarians, which arrived from the Pontic steppes and occupied the Carpathian Basin at 895–905 AD as a confederation of seven tribes under the leadership of prince Árpád. Modern Hungarians are generally identified as successors of the conquering Hungarians (hence shortened as Conquerors). Until the middle of the 19th century it was generally accepted that Hungarians were kinsfolk of the Huns and Scythians, besides Árpád was a direct descendant of the great Hun leader Attila. Hun-Hungarian affinity was declared in Hungarian and foreign written sources and has been maintained in Hungarian folk memory [1–3]. In the second half of the 19th century the Hungarian language was reclassified as belonging to the Uralic branch of the Finno-Ugric language family [4]."

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    double post,please delete
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    It's quite puzzling they're not finding any significant genetic overlap with Finno-Ugric populations. How can then the conqueror and the modern Hungarians speak a Finno-Ugric language? Something just doesn't add up. Unless the Avars were Finno-Ugric speaking and their language persisted into modern Hungarian? There's no evidence of that plus it's generally hypothesized that they were also some type of Turkic speakers.

    And how come out of 102 samples from 8 different cemeteries only 4 Y hgs were sequenced?
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