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    Genetic insights into the social organisation of the Avar period elite in the 7th century AD Carpathian Basin
    Q1b-M346 more precisely Q-BZ427 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ427/
    Geographic distribution: Hungary (3 person) and Kazakhstan (1 person, naiman tribe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravetti View Post
    Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...97997.full.pdf
    I wonder why officially the name Magyars is not mentioned any more, but using "Hungarians from the conquering period".

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    So that paper is suggesting that the Avars were more eastern Siberian like than the Conquerors/Magyars. The original Avars might've been Tungusic or Mongolic speaking?
    The Magyars on their PCA are closest to Volga/Ural populations like Bashkirs so there's definitely some Turkic connection there.
    After the Bashkirs the conquerors plot closest to modern Hungarians, Bosnians, Slovakians and Polish. Interestingly they're a little closer to BIH than to Croats and Serbs on that plot.
    It also says that the most prestigious graves in Karos2 and Karos3 cemeteries belonged to I2a1 and were most likely related.
    Most of them have alleles for brown eyes and dark brown/black hair, including both of the I1 samples and both of them are not lactase persistent. And interesting that the I1 Avar is from the same cemetery as the East Asian N1. I don't know what those EU/EA admixture columns mean they're confusing, they show different percentages. And it's pretty odd that the PV/72 East Asian C2-Hg guy is 100% EU.

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    The ethnonym Ungri is the Latinized form of Byzantine Greek Oungroi (Οὔγγροι). According to an explanation, the Greek name was borrowed from Old Bulgarian ągrinŭ, which was in turn borrowed from Oghur-Turkic On-Ogur (meaning "ten [tribes of the] Ogurs"), the collective name for the tribes which later joined the Bulgar tribal confederacy that ruled the eastern parts of Hungary after the Avars. The Hungarians probably belonged to the Onogur tribal alliance and it is very possible that they became its ethnic majority.[10][11]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Hungary

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    Bulgarian historiography does not use the exonym "hungarians" when describing the tribe(s) from the conquering period. They are called by their endonym "Magyars" (маджари) which is more accurate. Same applies when describing ethnic Hungarians in informal speech (they've been called -even today- маджари ,Magyars).
    The official name of the state in Bulgarian is Унгария ("Ungariya" ; Hungary). And Western Balkan States use "Mađarska"...

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    Hungarians who live in Central Europe today are one of the westernmost Uralic speakers. Despite of the proposed Volga-Ural/West Siberian roots of the Hungarian language, the present-day Hungarian gene pool is highly similar to that of the surrounding Indo-European speaking populations. However, a limited portion of specific Y-chromosomal lineages from haplogroup N, sometimes associated with the spread of Uralic languages, link modern Hungarians with populations living close to the Ural Mountain range on the border of Europe and Asia. Here we investigate the paternal genetic connection between these spatially separated populations. We reconstruct the phylogeny of N3a4-Z1936 clade by using 33 high-coverage Y-chromosomal sequences and estimate the coalescent times of its sub-clades. We genotype close to 5000 samples from 46 Eurasian populations to show the presence of N3a4-B539 lineages among Hungarians and in the populations from Ural Mountain region, including Ob-Ugric-speakers from West Siberia who are geographically distant but linguistically closest to Hungarians. This sub-clade splits from its sister-branch N3a4-B535, frequent today among Northeast European Uralic speakers, 4000–5000 ya, which is in the time-frame of the proposed divergence of Ugric languages.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44272-6

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    Genetic analysis of male Hungarian Conquerors: European and Asian paternal lineages of the conquering Hungarian tribes

    https://link.springer.com/article/10...20-019-00996-0

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    According to historical sources, ancient Hungarians were made up of seven allied tribes and the fragmented tribes that split off from the Khazars, and they arrived from the Eastern European steppes to conquer the Carpathian Basin at the end of the ninth century AD. Differentiating between the tribes is not possible based on archaeology or history, because the Hungarian Conqueror artifacts show uniformity in attire, weaponry, and warcraft. We used Y-STR and SNP analyses on male Hungarian Conqueror remains to determine the genetic source, composition of tribes, and kin of ancient Hungarians. The 19 male individuals paternally belong to 16 independent haplotypes and 7 haplogroups (C2, G2a, I2, J1, N3a, R1a, and R1b). The presence of the N3a haplogroup is interesting because it rarely appears among modern Hungarians (unlike in other Finno-Ugric-speaking peoples) but was found in 37.5% of the Hungarian Conquerors.

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z

    The remains belonging to Béla III (HU3 and HU52 are derived for R-Z2125 (R1a1a1b2a2a). The R-Z2125 haplogroup is common in northeastern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and southern Kazakhstan and to a lesser extent in the Volga Ural region, the Caucasus and Iran (Fig. 1) [35]. We could further derive the Árpád Dynasty lineage based on SNPs defining R-Y2632, R-Y20746, R-Y2633, and 16 SNPs associated with haplogroup R-SUR51 (Figs. 2 and 3, Table S5) [13, 14, 16, 36, 37].

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    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.13.200154v1

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    The ancient Hungarians originated from the Ural region of Russia, and migrated through the Middle-Volga region and the Eastern European steppe into the Carpathian Basin during the 9th century AD. Their Homeland was probably in the southern Trans-Ural region, where the Kushnarenkovo culture disseminated. In the Cis-Ural region Lomovatovo and Nevolino cultures are archaeologically related to ancient Hungarians. In this study we describe maternal and paternal lineages of 36 individuals from these regions and nine Hungarian Conquest period individuals from today’s Hungary, as well as shallow shotgun genome data from the Trans-Uralic Uyelgi cemetery. We point out the genetic continuity between the three chronological horizons of Uyelgi cemetery, which was a burial place of a rather endogamous population. Using phylogenetic and population genetic analyses we demonstrate the genetic connection between Trans-, Cis-Ural and the Carpathian Basin on various levels. The analyses of this new Uralic dataset fill a gap of population genetic research of Eurasia, and reshape the conclusions previously drawn from 10-11th century ancient mitogenomes and Y-chromosomes from Hungary.

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