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    Y DNA of the Peloponnese

    The purpose of this thread is to share information regarding Y DNA statistics of the Peloponnese and its subdivisions.

    I currently have the results of 67 individuals. These individuals are either people who 1) I personally know, 2) Are related to through 23andme, and have confirmed their origins, or 3) Individuals from the Greek FTDNA Project who have confirmed their Peloponnesian origin.

    The regional breakdown of these individuals is below:

    Laconia: 26
    Arcadia: 18
    Messinia:12
    Argolis: 5
    Achaea: 3
    Corinth: 2
    Elis: 1


    Since I have too few individuals to accurately make regional averages with, I will provide the Y DNA distribution for the whole Peloponnese

    E-V13: 19.4%
    J2a: 17.9%
    I2a-M423: 11.9%
    R1b-M269: 7.5%
    I1: 7.5%
    I2a-M223: 6%
    J2b: 5.9%
    R1a: 5.9%
    G2-P15: 5.9%
    T: 5.3%
    E1b-V22: 1.5%
    H-M52: 1.5%
    J1: 1.5%


    Hopefully, with the contribution of others, This list can be expanded so that we get a more accurate picture of Peloponnesian Y-DNA distributions on a regional level.

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    Can you break down V13 and R1b into subclades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keqa View Post
    Can you break down V13 and R1b into subclades?
    I found 5 of the 12 V13 samples through 23andme, so unfortunately I don't know their subclades. But the others are below

    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>FGC44169>S7461>BY5022>Y150909
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5017>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2 979>Z16659>Y3183>S2972>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>E-L241
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>Y3183>S297 2>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>Y30977


    And here is the R1b:

    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Z2110>CT S7556>Y5592>Y10789

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    Any J2 subclades?
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    I found 5 of the 12 V13 samples through 23andme, so unfortunately I don't know their subclades. But the others are below

    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>FGC44169>S7461>BY5022>Y150909
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5017>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2 979>Z16659>Y3183>S2972>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>E-L241
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>Y3183>S297 2>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>Y30977


    And here is the R1b:

    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Z2110>CT S7556>Y5592>Y10789
    Curious if am able to classify some of them deeper, especially the M269, Z2103, Z5018 and L241 fellas. Y10789 is most definitely under Z2705.

    Are their Y-STRs public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    I found 5 of the 12 V13 samples through 23andme, so unfortunately I don't know their subclades. But the others are below

    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>FGC44169>S7461>BY5022>Y150909
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5017>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2 979>Z16659>Y3183>S2972>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>E-L241
    E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>Y3183>S297 2>Z16661>S2978
    E-V13-Z1057>Y30977


    And here is the R1b:

    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Z2110>CT S7556>Y5592>Y10789
    Can you break down the J2a, I know you are one of them at M319>, there should be another 11 if I am correct?

    Also good idea for a thread , Greece gets often ignored for Y analysis
    My Y Line: J2a-L210>Z489>Z482>Y15222

    My Maternal Y: R1b-U152>Z36>Y156527

    Other Y lines: 3x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J2a-S25258>SK1336, 5x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: E-V13> A7135, 6x Great Grandfather on Maternal side: J1-Z2331>L829

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    I am curious to see Y-DNA of Tsakonians and Maniots.

    I know of one Maniot case, he belonged to E-V13 but don't know the subclade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    The purpose of this thread is to share information regarding Y DNA statistics of the Peloponnese and its subdivisions.

    I currently have the results of 67 individuals. These individuals are either people who 1) I personally know, 2) Are related to through 23andme, and have confirmed their origins, or 3) Individuals from the Greek FTDNA Project who have confirmed their Peloponnesian origin.

    The regional breakdown of these individuals is below:

    Laconia: 26
    Arcadia: 18
    Messinia:12
    Argolis: 5
    Achaea: 3
    Corinth: 2
    Elis: 1


    Since I have too few individuals to accurately make regional averages with, I will provide the Y DNA distribution for the whole Peloponnese

    E-V13: 19.4%
    J2a: 17.9%
    I2a-M423: 11.9%
    R1b-M269: 7.5%
    I1: 7.5%
    I2a-M223: 6%
    J2b: 5.9%
    R1a: 5.9%
    G2-P15: 5.9%
    T: 5.3%
    E1b-V22: 1.5%
    H-M52: 1.5%
    J1: 1.5%


    Hopefully, with the contribution of others, This list can be expanded so that we get a more accurate picture of Peloponnesian Y-DNA distributions on a regional level.
    Can you break down their R1a and J2b? No rush. And thank you.

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    As a Peloponnesian with roots from Messinia and Arcadia I can contribute to this.
    The haplogroups of my confirmed Peloponnesian matches
    R-Z19
    E-V13 (Messinia)
    R-M269 (Arcadia)
    R-CTS9219 (Messinia)
    R-M512 (Messinia)
    J-Z631 (Arcadia)
    R-CTS3402 (Messinia)
    I-M223
    I-M423 (Arcadia)
    E-V13
    E-M78 (Korinthia)
    J-M241 (Arcadia)

    We also have here a member (TonyC) with ancestry from Messinia and haplogroup G2a. I can give you also my haplogroup which is R-YP4768<R-Z93 but I know that my paternal lineage is not native Peloponnesian but it came the last 500 years at the region.

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    Instead of replying individually to everyone, I will just provide the breakdown below.

    Nafplio Argolis Peloponnese Greece E-V13
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13
    N/A Messinia or Lakonia Peloponnese Greece E-V13
    N/A Arcadia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>FGC44169>S7461>BY5022>Y150909
    N/A Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5017>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2 979>Z16659>Y3183>S2972>Z16661>S2978
    Gortynia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>E-L241
    Trifylia Messinia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>CTS1273>BY3880>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>Y3183>S297 2>Z16661>S2978
    Tripoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece E-V13-Z1057>Y30977
    Foloi Elis Peloponnese Greece E1b-M35
    Aigaleia Achaea Peloponnese Greece E1b-M35>M78>Z1919>V22
    Pylos - Nestoras Messinia Peloponnese Greece G2
    Trifylia Messinia Peloponnese Greece G2-P15>L1259>L30>CTS574>CTS2488>PF3359>F1193>PF3369>F 872
    Zacharo Achaea Peloponnese G2-P15>L1259>L30>CTS574>M406
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece G2-P15>L1259>L30>CTS574>M406>M3317>FGC5089>M3302
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece H-M52
    N/A Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I-M423
    Gortynia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I1
    Mantineia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I1
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I1
    Tripoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I1-DF29>Z58>Z59>Z2041>Z2040>Y3560>Y3568>Y14516>A480*
    N/A Laconia Peloponnese Greece I1-DF29>Z58>Z59>Z2041>Z2040>Y3560>Y3568>Y14516>A480>B Y37215
    Ermionida Argolis Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>M436>M223
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>M436>M223>S12195>I-PF6896
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>M436>M223>S12195>I-PF6896
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>M436>M223>S12195>I-PF6896
    Velo - Vocha Corinth Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423
    Gortynia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>CTS10228>-Y4460
    Tripoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>CTS10228>Y18331
    Evrotas Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002>S17250
    Evrotas Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002>S17250
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>Y3104>L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002>C TS10228>CTS5966
    Pylos - Nestoras Messinia Peloponnese Greece I2a-L460>P37>M423>Y3104>L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002>C TS10228>Y3120>Y18331>A2512>A7134>Y32624
    West Mani Messinia Peloponnese Greece J-M172
    Tripoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece J1-Z2215>Z2217>L620>PF4816>L136
    Tripoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece J2
    East Mani Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2a
    Kalamata Messinia Peloponnese Greece J2a
    Mantineia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26
    Trifylia Messinia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26
    N/A Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>L558>M67>Z1847>Z500>J-M92
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>L558>Y5014>M319>J-Y16819*
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>L558>Y5014>M319>J-Y16819*
    Kalavrita Achaea Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>PF5119>L558>M67
    Corinth Corinth Peloponnese Greece J2a-PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5160>L24>Y22662>L25
    Argos - Mykines Argolis Peloponnese Greece J2b-Z534>M205
    Epidavros Argolis Peloponnese Greece J2b-Z534>M205
    Mantineia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece J2b-Z534>Z1825>Z593>M241
    Nafplio Argolis Peloponnese Greece J2b-Z638>Z1297
    Sparta Laconia Peloponnese Greece R1a-M417
    Messinia Peloponnese Greece R1a-M417>Z283>Z280>Y35>CTS3402
    N/A Laconia Peloponnese Greece R1a-M417>Z283>Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402
    Evrotas Laconia Peloponnese Greece R1a-M417>Z283>Z282>Z280>Z92
    Megalopoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    Skiritida Arcadia Peloponnese Greece R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269
    Gortynia Arcadia Peloponnese Greece R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    Megalopoli Arcadia Peloponnese Greece R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269 >L23>Z2103
    Oichalia Messinia Peloponnese Greece R1b-L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Z2110>CT S7556>Y5592>Y10789
    South Kynouria Arcadia Peloponnese Greece T-M70
    Kalamata Messinia Peloponnese Greece T-M70-L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709>CTS7703>Z710 >L906>Y484>P77>Y4964>Y29990
    N/A Messinia Peloponnese Greece T-M70-L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709>CTS7703>Z710 >L906>Y484>P77>Y4964>Y29990

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