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    Genetic insights into the social organisation of the Avar period elite in the 7th century AD Carpathian Basin
    Q1b-M346 more precisely Q-BZ427 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ427/
    Geographic distribution: Hungary (3 person) and Kazakhstan (1 person, naiman tribe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravetti View Post
    Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...97997.full.pdf
    I wonder why officially the name Magyars is not mentioned any more, but using "Hungarians from the conquering period".

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    So that paper is suggesting that the Avars were more eastern Siberian like than the Conquerors/Magyars. The original Avars might've been Tungusic or Mongolic speaking?
    The Magyars on their PCA are closest to Volga/Ural populations like Bashkirs so there's definitely some Turkic connection there.
    After the Bashkirs the conquerors plot closest to modern Hungarians, Bosnians, Slovakians and Polish. Interestingly they're a little closer to BIH than to Croats and Serbs on that plot.
    It also says that the most prestigious graves in Karos2 and Karos3 cemeteries belonged to I2a1 and were most likely related.
    Most of them have alleles for brown eyes and dark brown/black hair, including both of the I1 samples and both of them are not lactase persistent. And interesting that the I1 Avar is from the same cemetery as the East Asian N1. I don't know what those EU/EA admixture columns mean they're confusing, they show different percentages. And it's pretty odd that the PV/72 East Asian C2-Hg guy is 100% EU.

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    The ethnonym Ungri is the Latinized form of Byzantine Greek Oungroi (Οὔγγροι). According to an explanation, the Greek name was borrowed from Old Bulgarian ągrinŭ, which was in turn borrowed from Oghur-Turkic On-Ogur (meaning "ten [tribes of the] Ogurs"), the collective name for the tribes which later joined the Bulgar tribal confederacy that ruled the eastern parts of Hungary after the Avars. The Hungarians probably belonged to the Onogur tribal alliance and it is very possible that they became its ethnic majority.[10][11]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Hungary

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    Bulgarian historiography does not use the exonym "hungarians" when describing the tribe(s) from the conquering period. They are called by their endonym "Magyars" (маджари) which is more accurate. Same applies when describing ethnic Hungarians in informal speech (they've been called -even today- маджари ,Magyars).
    The official name of the state in Bulgarian is Унгария ("Ungariya" ; Hungary). And Western Balkan States use "Mađarska"...

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    Hungarians who live in Central Europe today are one of the westernmost Uralic speakers. Despite of the proposed Volga-Ural/West Siberian roots of the Hungarian language, the present-day Hungarian gene pool is highly similar to that of the surrounding Indo-European speaking populations. However, a limited portion of specific Y-chromosomal lineages from haplogroup N, sometimes associated with the spread of Uralic languages, link modern Hungarians with populations living close to the Ural Mountain range on the border of Europe and Asia. Here we investigate the paternal genetic connection between these spatially separated populations. We reconstruct the phylogeny of N3a4-Z1936 clade by using 33 high-coverage Y-chromosomal sequences and estimate the coalescent times of its sub-clades. We genotype close to 5000 samples from 46 Eurasian populations to show the presence of N3a4-B539 lineages among Hungarians and in the populations from Ural Mountain region, including Ob-Ugric-speakers from West Siberia who are geographically distant but linguistically closest to Hungarians. This sub-clade splits from its sister-branch N3a4-B535, frequent today among Northeast European Uralic speakers, 40005000 ya, which is in the time-frame of the proposed divergence of Ugric languages.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44272-6

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