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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Which Bahuns are these, the average is more like Ba15, is this a different avg??
    That Bahun average is simply an average of the AG Users and Ba48 sample from g25.

    Sorry for my language. I meant to say that average Chhetris (not Bahuns) are more like Ba15 than Ba25 and Ba37 samples from g25, since the latter 2 samples are more BMAC & less Steppe shifted at their respective East Asian level. Their Harappaworld scores shows they're lower NE-Euro/Steppe and higher Caucasian/BMAC than what many Chhetris would score. Most Chhetris we've seen so far would be Ba15 +5% East Asian, so Ba15 is the most representative g25 sample for average Chhetris.

    These public Bahun samples are mislabeled Chhetris perhaps due to surname sharing.
    Sample S-Indian Baloch NE-Asian Caucasian NE-Euro Siberian Mediterranean Beringian SE-Asian Papuan American SW-Asian
    Bahun ► Ba37 32.13 26.25 22.53 7.95 5.15 2.82 1.31 1.22 0.42 0.22 0 0
    Bahun ► Ba25 31.94 24.8 20.76 8.79 6.42 2.78 0 0 1.27 1.98 1.16 0.11
    Bahun ► Ba15 30.71 28.98 15.88 4.48 8.49 1.31 0.55 2.09 1.74 0.64 2.07 3.06


    Target: Ba37
    Distance: 2.7493% / 0.02749281
    40.6 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
    30.8 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
    20.2 UZB_Dzharkutan1_BA
    8.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA

    Target: Ba25
    Distance: 2.5605% / 0.02560469
    43.0 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
    28.6 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
    19.4 UZB_Dzharkutan1_BA
    9.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA

    Ba15 (+5% East Asian) is what most Chhetris would score like.

    Target: Ba15
    Distance: 2.3450% / 0.02344989
    44.8 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
    23.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
    19.2 UZB_Dzharkutan1_BA
    13.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    that's more like Nepalnglish Kathmandu dialect with minor hindi vocabulary, Nepali in Queens sound like her for real.

    Ironic, but this is what real Pahari from Nepal should sound like
    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    haha true, Nepanglish for sure! But toned down quite a bit. And that Jesus Karnali movie, holy crap, that guy serious needs to tone down his tone lol. Anyone take that movie seriously with that stereotypical tone? omg. Like Apu speaking English, that guy is speaking Khaskura.
    The Jesus movie had me laughing down rolling. Jesus sounds like a native Paraane Rokaya from Jumla throwing verses out of the bible.

    The Western Nepali dialects are quite hard/harsh for Easterners. They sound a lil Hindi mixed to me such as "bayal" for "ox", "bhautai" (bahut) for "a lot". But it could be just Kumaoni effect. I think Western Nepali dialects are closer to Kumaoni/Garhwali than to Eastern Nepali.

    From my experiences, they regularly use "u" sound instead of "a"
    such as "mun" for "man" (heart)
    "rumauda chha" for "ramauda chha" (happy feeling), "bhunya" for "bhanya" (tell verb2).

    I just noticed that they also use "Ha" instead of "Sa"
    such as "Habai jaanaa" for "Sabai jaanaa" (everybody), "hakya" for "sakya" (do verb), "hoka" for "bhoka" (hunger).
    There are a lot of "Ha" sounds replacing other consonants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthroin View Post
    Interestingly the v --> b sound change in some environments which is mainly seen in the eastern Indo-Aryan languages and not seen in the western Indo-Aryan languages is also used as an argument in support of the recent migration of Brahui from more easterly parts in north India into the location where it is currently located, as Brahui also shows the v --> b sound change which its current neighbours don't show.
    The other perhaps more well-known argument is that Brahui could not have been a relic language in its current location from IVC times because Brahui does not have any Avestan loanwords in it and all the loanwords in Brahui are from the West Iranic language Balochi which as a language entered that area only around 1000 AD.
    Could b sound be retained from Pre-Vedic language by bruhai and eastern Indo-Aryan languages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
    The Jesus movie had me laughing down rolling. Jesus sounds like a native Paraane Rokaya from Jumla throwing verses out of the bible.

    The Western Nepali dialects are quite hard/harsh for Easterners. They sound a lil Hindi mixed to me such as "bayal" for "ox", "bhautai" (bahut) for "a lot". But it could be just Kumaoni effect. I think Western Nepali dialects are closer to Kumaoni/Garhwali than to Eastern Nepali.

    From my experiences, they regularly use "u" sound instead of "a"
    such as "mun" for "man" (heart)
    "rumauda chha" for "ramauda chha" (happy feeling), "bhunya" for "bhanya" (tell verb2).

    I just noticed that they also use "Ha" instead of "Sa"
    such as "Habai jaanaa" for "Sabai jaanaa" (everybody), "hakya" for "sakya" (do verb), "hoka" for "bhoka" (hunger).
    There are a lot of "Ha" sounds replacing other consonants.
    H in place of S may have its origins with Persian, Sindu is Hindu for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthroin View Post
    Interestingly the v --> b sound change in some environments which is mainly seen in the eastern Indo-Aryan languages and not seen in the western Indo-Aryan languages is also used as an argument in support of the recent migration of Brahui from more easterly parts in north India into the location where it is currently located, as Brahui also shows the v --> b sound change which its current neighbours don't show.
    The other perhaps more well-known argument is that Brahui could not have been a relic language in its current location from IVC times because Brahui does not have any Avestan loanwords in it and all the loanwords in Brahui are from the West Iranic language Balochi which as a language entered that area only around 1000 AD.
    v or w --> b can be seen in Bundeli (a Western Hindi language) as well as dialects/languages in Madhya Pradesh, central India. They say, for example, ''waapas'' to ''baapas''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jatt1 View Post
    H in place of S may have its origins with Persian, Sindu is Hindu for them.
    We also see S-H Sapta Hapta in Septa - Hepta (Septagon Heptagon, Latin vs Greek).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinosaurusN3H1 View Post
    v or w --> b can be seen in Bundeli (a Western Hindi language) as well as dialects/languages in Madhya Pradesh, central India. They say, for example, ''waapas'' to ''baapas''.
    That's very characteristics of Nepalis especially Khas folks to use "b" for "v" and "o" for "w" in speech lol.

    "Okil" for "Wakil" (lawyer)
    "Bibek" for "Vivek" (intelligence) lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
    That's very characteristics of Nepalis especially Khas folks to use "b" for "v" and "o" for "w" in speech lol.

    "Okil" for "Wakil" (lawyer)
    "Bibek" for "Vivek" (intelligence) lol
    Some influences in the neighbouring regions it seems. For example Bikramjeet Kanwarpal actor born in Himachal and Bikram Singh Majithia, SAD politician from Punjab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    We also see S-H Sapta Hapta in Septa - Hepta (Septagon Heptagon, Latin vs Greek).
    There's a couple of consonant shifts that are quite typical between IA Iranic (Avestan) and Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit), including (in the same order):

    • z <-> h
    • h <-> s
    • x/kh <-> k
    • s/z <-> j


    So, for instance, with that cheat-sheet in mind, an Avestan enthusiast could readily transform Av. ahura (Lord), zanu (knee) and haoma (ephedra) into the Sanskrit equivalents (asura, janu, soma).

    Pretty sure parasar knows this, so pointing that out to the others.

    Linguists have accurately played the same game with entire sentences of Old Avestan and the Rg Veda to recreate a perfect "translation" of the other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    There's a couple of consonant shifts that are quite typical between IA Iranic (Avestan) and Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit), including (in the same order):

    • z <-> h
    • h <-> s
    • x/kh <-> k
    • s/z <-> j


    So, for instance, with that cheat-sheet in mind, an Avestan enthusiast could readily transform Av. ahura (Lord), zanu (knee) and haoma (ephedra) into the Sanskrit equivalents (asura, janu, soma).

    Pretty sure parasar knows this, so pointing that out to the others.

    Linguists have accurately played the same game with entire sentences of Old Avestan and the Rg Veda to recreate a perfect "translation" of the other side.
    The interesting thing is the z consonant is retained in Mittani as well in all Dardic languages but vanishes in Vedic Sanskrit, I wonder what drove that change.

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