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    In response to Pahari Khas people, their history is obscured and kind of unknown. My questions is why is there a distinction of the type of Indo-European group in the Mountains and not so everywhere else on the Subcontinent? Like, there isn’t any other “tribe” that had existed and left a mark on culture anywhere else there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyanwali View Post
    In response to Pahari Khas people, their history is obscured and kind of unknown. My questions is why is there a distinction of the type of Indo-European group in the Mountains and not so everywhere else on the Subcontinent? Like, there isn’t any other “tribe” that had existed and left a mark on culture anywhere else there.
    That's very interesting, although there are ethnic tribes in the plains, but not as pronounced as in the hills. Probably the plains allow for more human movement, thus less isolation. Eventually, tribes sort of blend into each other with changing empires and migrations. Relatively speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    That's very interesting, although there are ethnic tribes in the plains, but not as pronounced as in the hills. Probably the plains allow for more human movement, thus less isolation. Eventually, tribes sort of blend into each other with changing empires and migrations. Relatively speaking.
    Typical example are the Kalasha and the Hunza people

    In the indo-gangetic plan you needed some superstrict caste system rules to maintain distinctions

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    No Maithil or Bhojpuri uses the term "Bahun" because it isn't a part of our language.

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    Yes, the Licchavis came from Vaishali and conquered the Kathamandu valley. The Malla dynasty came from Simraon (Tirhut division of Bihar) also in Mithila and also conquered Kathamandu:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toor View Post
    No Maithil or Bhojpuri uses the term "Bahun" because it isn't a part of our language.
    They don’t because it is different and Bahun refers to Khas Brahmins. The weird part is, because of Jung Bahadur, Khas Brahmins are regarded as the highest/purest, when in reality it is not true. Also, is there a genetic difference between Khas Brahmins and Maithili and Bhojpuri ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toor View Post
    Yes, the Licchavis came from Vaishali in the Mithila (modern-day Bihar) and conquered the Kathamandu valley. The Malla dynasty came from Simraon (Tirhut division of Bihar) in Mithila and also conquered Kathamandu:

    It sounds like the the substratum Nepali urban culture is Maithili, which was fused with TB Newars in Kathmandu during the Licchavis and the Mallas.. When the Khas conquered Kathmandu, it looks like they preserved existing culture and traditions of the Maithils and the Newars, but basically swapped the people and language in charge... out went the Mallas speaking Maithili/Newari and in came the Shahs/Ranas speaking Khaskura/Nepali.

    I am very curious to see if this is seen in genetics. If my random hypothesis is correct, Newars' Indic Admixture is similar to Maithili Madhesis and not like the Khas Paharis. Also, the Khas bahuns also have much higher Maithili brahmin in them than other castes. Finally, the more West you go, the less Maithili admixture in all Khas castes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gyanwali View Post
    They don’t because it is different and Bahun refers to Khas Brahmins. The weird part is, because of Jung Bahadur, Khas Brahmins are regarded as the highest/purest, when in reality it is not true. Also, is there a genetic difference between Khas Brahmins and Maithili and Bhojpuri ones?
    I don't think that was weird at all. Jung B. Rana, being a Khas Pahari himself, probably preferred his own ethnic group's brahmins over conquered brahmins from the Newar, Maithil, and Bhojpur. Besides, the Shahs/Ranas wanted Nepali/Khaskura to be ubiqutious, so non-Nepali speaking brahmins would be potentially dangerous to the national unity. Language, even more so than religion, has potential for heightened nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    I don't think that was weird at all. Jung B. Rana, being a Khas Pahari himself, probably preferred his own ethnic group's brahmins over conquered brahmins from the Newar, Maithil, and Bhojpur. Besides, the Shahs/Ranas wanted Nepali/Khaskura to be ubiqutious, so non-Nepali speaking brahmins would be potentially dangerous to the national unity. Language, even more so than religion, has potential for heightened nationalism.
    Really? I was under the impression that he was a Magar. Although now that I think about it his mother was Magar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    It sounds like the the substratum Nepali urban culture is Maithili, which was fused with TB Newars in Kathmandu during the Licchavis and the Mallas.. When the Khas conquered Kathmandu, it looks like they preserved existing culture and traditions of the Maithils and the Newars, but basically swapped the people and language in charge... out went the Mallas speaking Maithili/Newari and in came the Shahs/Ranas speaking Khaskura/Nepali.

    I am very curious to see if this is seen in genetics. If my random hypothesis is correct, Newars' Indic Admixture is similar to Maithili Madhesis and not like the Khas Paharis. Also, the Khas bahuns also have much higher Maithili brahmin in them than other castes. Finally, the more West you go, the less Maithili admixture in all Khas castes.
    Could you explain ‘Khas Brahmins have much higher Maithili Brahmin in them than other castes.’ ?

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