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    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 27.47
    2 NorthEastEuropean 27.2
    3 Steppe 22.66
    4 Caucasian 19.43
    5 Amerindian 1.08
    6 Indian 1.04
    7 NorthAfrican 0.7
    8 Ancestor 0.23
    9 Australian 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Dutch (Netherlands) 1.84
    2 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 1.99
    3 Scottish (Fife) 2.43
    4 Irish (Munster) 2.56
    5 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 2.6
    6 Scottish (Highlands) 2.75
    7 Scottish (Borders) 3.05
    8 Irish (Connacht) 3.14
    9 English (England) 3.2
    10 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 3.22
    11 Scottish (Grampian) 3.25
    12 French (WestFrance) 3.43
    13 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 3.6
    14 Irish (Leinster) 3.67
    15 Irish (Ulster) 3.85
    16 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 3.96
    17 Welsh (Wales) 4.02
    18 German (Germany) 4.12
    19 English (Cornwall) 4.18
    20 Swede (Sweden) 4.43

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.4% Dutch (Netherlands) + 46.6% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 1.28
    2 68.7% Dutch (Netherlands) + 31.3% Irish (Connacht) @ 1.31
    3 75.9% Dutch (Netherlands) + 24.1% English (Cornwall) @ 1.35
    4 71.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 28.4% French (WestFrance) @ 1.36
    5 96.2% Dutch (Netherlands) + 3.8% Basque (France) @ 1.39
    6 95.2% Dutch (Netherlands) + 4.8% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.4
    7 77.1% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 22.9% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.4
    8 62.7% Irish (Connacht) + 37.3% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.4
    9 57.7% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 42.3% English (Cornwall) @ 1.42
    10 50.7% Irish (Connacht) + 49.3% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.43
    11 85.7% Dutch (Netherlands) + 14.3% French (France) @ 1.44
    12 65.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 34.5% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 1.45
    13 94% Dutch (Netherlands) + 6% Spanish (Aragon) @ 1.46
    14 70.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 29.5% Scottish (Borders) @ 1.47
    15 72.1% Dutch (Netherlands) + 27.9% English (England) @ 1.48
    16 51.2% English (Kent) + 48.8% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.52
    17 55.3% Scottish (Highlands) + 44.7% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.52
    18 65.7% Irish (Connacht) + 34.3% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 1.54
    19 83.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 16.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 1.56
    20 69.6% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 30.4% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.56

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Dutch_Netherlands @ 1.902381
    2 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.125359
    3 Scottish_Fife @ 2.608324
    4 Irish_Munster @ 2.808803
    5 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.912295
    6 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.068254
    7 Scottish_Borders @ 3.420792
    8 Irish_Connacht @ 3.496096
    9 English_England @ 3.498291
    10 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.510723
    11 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 3.535520
    12 French_WestFrance @ 3.732966
    13 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.059118
    14 Irish_Leinster @ 4.114424
    15 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 4.184584
    16 Welsh_Wales @ 4.317031
    17 German_Germany @ 4.390897
    18 Irish_Ulster @ 4.391536
    19 English_Cornwall @ 4.742260
    20 Swede_Sweden @ 4.799861

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.251818


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.184595


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.018023
    2 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.093367
    3 German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.121363
    4 German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.124148
    5 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.125524
    6 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.181754
    7 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.184595
    8 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.189991
    9 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.196387
    10 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.197942
    11 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Fife @ 1.198696
    12 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.199280
    13 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Highlands @ 1.204004
    14 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.221028
    15 German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Fife @ 1.232310
    16 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + Irish_Connacht + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.246604
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 1.248842
    18 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.251818
    19 German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 1.253281
    20 German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.265738


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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 28.82
    2 NorthEastEuropean 26.5
    3 Steppe 23.47
    4 Caucasian 19.82
    5 NorthAfrican 0.53
    6 Indian 0.42
    7 Australian 0.25
    8 Amerindian 0.1
    9 Siberian 0.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 2.39
    2 Scottish (Fife) 2.95
    3 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 3
    4 Irish (Connacht) 3.03
    5 Scottish (Highlands) 3.07
    6 Dutch (Netherlands) 3.13
    7 Scottish (Grampian) 3.17
    8 Irish (Munster) 3.18
    9 French (WestFrance) 3.25
    10 English (England) 3.3
    11 Scottish (Borders) 3.67
    12 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 3.75
    13 Irish (Leinster) 3.76
    14 English (Cornwall) 3.96
    15 Irish (Ulster) 4.01
    16 English (Kent) 4.1
    17 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.37
    18 Welsh (Wales) 4.42
    19 German (Germany) 4.78
    20 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 5.01

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.2% German (Germany) + 46.8% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.9
    2 69.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 30.4% French (France) @ 1.95
    3 92.5% Dutch (Netherlands) + 7.5% Basque (France) @ 2.04
    4 90.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 9.4% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.06
    5 60.2% Dutch (Netherlands) + 39.8% English (Kent) @ 2.09
    6 87.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 12.2% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.13
    7 52.2% English (Kent) + 47.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.13
    8 54.4% German (Germany) + 45.6% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.14
    9 73.9% English (Kent) + 26.1% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.2
    10 58.2% German (Germany) + 41.8% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.23
    11 68% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 32% German (Germany) @ 2.25
    12 73% English (Kent) + 27% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.27
    13 51.7% Irish (Connacht) + 48.3% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.27
    14 73% English (Kent) + 27% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.27
    15 76.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 23.8% Italian (Tuscany) @ 2.28
    16 75.1% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) + 24.9% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.29
    17 79.9% Irish (Connacht) + 20.1% Croat (Croatia) @ 2.29
    18 83.2% Irish (Connacht) + 16.8% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.3
    19 68.5% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 31.5% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2.3
    20 68.6% English (Kent) + 31.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.31


    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.659030
    2 Scottish_Fife @ 3.266766
    3 Dutch_Netherlands @ 3.318224
    4 Irish_Connacht @ 3.382618
    5 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.423987
    6 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.441562
    7 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.533499
    8 Irish_Munster @ 3.543280
    9 French_WestFrance @ 3.640925
    10 English_England @ 3.767574
    11 Scottish_Borders @ 4.171173
    12 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.274183
    13 Irish_Leinster @ 4.337474
    14 English_Cornwall @ 4.596479
    15 Irish_Ulster @ 4.615255
    16 English_Kent @ 4.683185
    17 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 4.773214
    18 Welsh_Wales @ 4.844871
    19 German_Germany @ 5.252748
    20 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 5.332998

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Germany +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.137701


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.885946


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.847260
    2 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.885946
    3 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 1.919820
    4 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.924689
    5 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 1.944515
    6 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 1.980129
    7 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.983040
    8 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Cornwall + German_Germany @ 1.988914
    9 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.001968
    10 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.003236
    11 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.008803
    12 Croat_Croatia + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.010756
    13 English_Kent + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.011510
    14 French_France + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.014663
    15 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht @ 2.016348
    16 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Irish_Connacht @ 2.026100
    17 English_Kent + German_Germany + Hungarian_Hungary + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.027202
    18 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.036805
    19 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.048218
    20 German_Germany + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.049612
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    MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle

    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 30.59
    2 NorthEastEuropean 26.08
    3 Steppe 24.15
    4 Caucasian 18.17


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English_Kent @ 2.839993
    2 Irish_Connacht @ 3.030561
    3 French_WestFrance @ 3.395335
    4 English_Cornwall @ 3.594681
    5 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 3.605463
    6 Scottish_Highlands @ 3.668877
    7 Scottish_Grampian @ 3.791052
    8 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.814920
    9 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.097575
    10 Irish_Ulster @ 4.146376
    11 English_England @ 4.240211
    12 Scottish_Fife @ 4.241993
    13 Irish_Leinster @ 4.259100
    14 Irish_Munster @ 4.350830
    15 Scottish_Borders @ 4.557892
    16 French_France @ 4.813248
    17 Dutch_Netherlands @ 5.525033
    18 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 5.644026
    19 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 5.666649
    20 German_Germany @ 5.686710

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Germany +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.081436


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +25% German_Germany +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.972948


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 1.972948
    2 French_France + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.006157
    3 French_France + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.008897
    4 German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.037909
    5 English_Kent + French_France + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.048377
    6 German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.081436
    7 French_France + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.088032
    8 English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht @ 2.092730
    9 German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.098058
    10 English_Kent + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.100258
    11 English_Kent + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.101917
    12 English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.109577
    13 French_France + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.116201
    14 English_Kent + French_France + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.123640
    15 French_France + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.124180
    16 English_Cornwall + French_France + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.134179
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + English_Kent + French_France @ 2.137688
    18 French_France + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.155686
    19 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 2.158331
    20 English_Kent + English_Kent + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 2.163911

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    Hi Everyone. Just wanted to give a quick update since I'm sure some of you are wondering why I dropped off the map two weeks ago. Two Mondays ago, Nov 13, I had a major discovery happen in my research group and it has pretty much been occupying every moment of my time. I'm not prepared to discuss it yet (it's not related to genetics or anything this forum covers anyway) but it is a near guarantee that you will be reading about it in the news sometime next year. Things are settling down a bit and I hope to start looking at what people submitted in short order. Hope nobody felt too disappointed that I dropped the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therrien.joel View Post
    Hi Everyone. Just wanted to give a quick update since I'm sure some of you are wondering why I dropped off the map two weeks ago. Two Mondays ago, Nov 13, I had a major discovery happen in my research group and it has pretty much been occupying every moment of my time. I'm not prepared to discuss it yet (it's not related to genetics or anything this forum covers anyway) but it is a near guarantee that you will be reading about it in the news sometime next year. Things are settling down a bit and I hope to start looking at what people submitted in short order. Hope nobody felt too disappointed that I dropped the ball.
    Excellent I will look forward to see what you come up with.

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    For whenever you start up again, and using MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle, as suggested above.

    My father:

    65.25% English (but with unknown amounts of Welsh and Scottish and possibly some Irish mixed in)
    12.5% or more Welsh
    12.5% German
    6.25% French - trace
    3.175% Dutch - trace, but probably not possible to pick out

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 29.65
    2 NorthEastEuropean 26.13
    3 Steppe 22.20
    4 Caucasian 21.99

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 German_Germany @ 4.020584
    2 Dutch_Netherlands @ 4.414694
    3 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 4.683204
    4 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 4.758341
    5 Scottish_Fife @ 4.960293
    6 Welsh_Wales @ 5.180701
    7 French_WestFrance @ 5.228047
    8 French_NorthwestFrance @ 5.380928
    9 Scottish_Grampian @ 5.459775
    10 French_EastFrance @ 5.487945
    11 Scottish_Highlands @ 5.626829
    12 English_England @ 5.686934
    13 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.715944
    14 Irish_Connacht @ 5.774787
    15 Irish_Munster @ 5.790185
    16 Scottish_Borders @ 5.866202
    17 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 6.323907
    18 German_Germany @ 6.362638
    19 Irish_Leinster @ 6.447332
    20 German_SouthGermany @ 6.467935

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% German_Germany @ 2.573269


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% German_Germany @ 2.573269


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 2.573269
    2 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.655068
    3 German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.681926
    4 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 2.711466
    5 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.712450
    6 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.715643
    7 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.721498
    8 German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.740175
    9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.741662
    10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland @ 2.759401
    11 English_Kent + German_Germany + Macedonian_Macedonia + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.761741
    12 Croat_Croatia + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 2.781941
    13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + English_Kent @ 2.782284
    14 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.783167
    15 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.787039
    16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.796304
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.804583
    18 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.809530
    19 German_Germany + German_Germany + Hungarian_Hungary + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.822776
    20 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.829272

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    I am English, Irish, Lithuanian, German. I have trace North African in my phased 23andMe results (at 90% confidence) and want to see if you get anything for that. Thanks for your time.

    MDLP K16:

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Ancestor -
    Steppe 26.16
    Indian -
    Arctic 0.39
    Australian 0.11
    Caucasian 19.02
    EastAfrican -
    NorthEastEuropean 26.23
    NearEast -
    Neolithic 27.38
    NorthAfrican 0.25
    Oceanic 0.47
    Siberian -
    SouthEastAsian -
    Subsaharian -

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    Paternal grandparents both 100% Lithuanian. Maternal grandfather English/Dutch with a little bit of German. Maternal grandmother 1/2 English/Dutch and 1/2 Irish.

    MDLP K16 4 population is as accurate as I've seen for me:

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NorthEastEuropean 32.49
    2 Neolithic 26.14
    3 Steppe 20.93
    4 Caucasian 19.04
    5 Indian 1.40


    Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3.387234
    2 Pole_WestPoland @ 3.787317
    3 Swede_Sweden @ 4.083695
    4 Pole_EastPoland @ 4.260341
    5 Belarusian_Zhytkavichy_Homel @ 4.724662
    6 Belarusian_Kobryn_Brest @ 4.987739
    7 Slovak_Slovakia @ 5.141531
    8 Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 5.274604
    9 Dutch_Netherlands @ 5.286989
    10 Pole_Wroclaw @ 5.337204
    11 Ukrainian_Ukraine @ 5.432036
    12 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 5.633606
    13 German_Germany @ 5.895230
    14 Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 5.946685
    15 Belarusian_Belarus @ 6.072785
    16 Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 6.247034
    17 German_NorthGermany @ 6.337214
    18 Norwegian_Norwegia @ 6.340707
    19 Russian_cossack_Kuban @ 6.366092
    20 Russian_CentralRussia @ 6.499979

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Germany +50% Latvian_Dobele_Dobele @ 2.144167


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German_Germany +25% Latvian_Dobele_Dobele +25% Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.102901


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 English_Kent + German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 1.943076
    2 English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.050790
    3 English_Kent + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Sorb_Lusatia + Sorb_Lusatia @ 2.072529
    4 English_Kent + German_Germany + Latvian_Latvia + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.093613
    5 German_Germany + Latvian_Latvia + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.099198
    6 German_Germany + German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.102901
    7 German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.117626
    8 German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.118307
    9 German_Germany + Irish_Ulster + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.128330
    10 German_Germany + German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele @ 2.144167
    11 French_WestFrance + German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.148889
    12 English_England + German_Germany + Latvian_Latvia + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.151752
    13 German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Norwegian_Norwegia + Sorb_Lusatia @ 2.152102
    14 English_England + German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.166647
    15 Belarusian_Zhytkavichy_Homel + German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.168739
    16 English_Kent + German_Germany + Latvian_Dobele_Dobele + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.169373
    17 English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Latvian_Latvia + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.169998
    18 German_Germany + Latvian_Latvia + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Scottish_Highlands @ 2.171770
    19 German_Germany + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Scottish_Highlands @ 2.176171
    20 English_Kent + Latvian_Latvia + Sorb_Lusatia + Sorb_Lusatia @ 2.176677
    The more I learn about this DNA stuff the less I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    For whenever you start up again, and using MDLP K16 Modern 4-Ancestors Oracle, as suggested above.

    My father:

    65.25% English (but with unknown amounts of Welsh and Scottish and possibly some Irish mixed in)
    12.5% or more Welsh
    12.5% German
    6.25% French - trace
    3.175% Dutch - trace, but probably not possible to pick out

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 29.65
    2 NorthEastEuropean 26.13
    3 Steppe 22.20
    4 Caucasian 21.99

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 German_Germany @ 4.020584
    2 Dutch_Netherlands @ 4.414694
    3 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 4.683204
    4 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 4.758341
    5 Scottish_Fife @ 4.960293
    6 Welsh_Wales @ 5.180701
    7 French_WestFrance @ 5.228047
    8 French_NorthwestFrance @ 5.380928
    9 Scottish_Grampian @ 5.459775
    10 French_EastFrance @ 5.487945
    11 Scottish_Highlands @ 5.626829
    12 English_England @ 5.686934
    13 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 5.715944
    14 Irish_Connacht @ 5.774787
    15 Irish_Munster @ 5.790185
    16 Scottish_Borders @ 5.866202
    17 Hungarian_WestUkraine @ 6.323907
    18 German_Germany @ 6.362638
    19 Irish_Leinster @ 6.447332
    20 German_SouthGermany @ 6.467935

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +50% German_Germany @ 2.573269


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Dutch_Netherlands +25% German_Germany +25% German_Germany @ 2.573269


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Dutch_Netherlands + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 2.573269
    2 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.655068
    3 German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.681926
    4 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + German_Germany @ 2.711466
    5 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.712450
    6 Croat_Croatia + German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.715643
    7 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.721498
    8 German_Germany + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.740175
    9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.741662
    10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Icelandic_Iceland @ 2.759401
    11 English_Kent + German_Germany + Macedonian_Macedonia + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.761741
    12 Croat_Croatia + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany @ 2.781941
    13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + English_Kent @ 2.782284
    14 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.783167
    15 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.787039
    16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + German_Germany + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.796304
    17 Dutch_Netherlands + English_Kent + German_Germany + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.804583
    18 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.809530
    19 German_Germany + German_Germany + Hungarian_Hungary + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.822776
    20 Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.829272

    im puzzled by all this Balkan (except Hungarian) showing in the oracle 4. any idea as to why the make up pigeon holed him with 25% Balkan countries?
    86.8% Orcadian + 13.2 Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.7
    87.4% Orkney + 12.6% Sicilian @ 1.64
    86% Frisian + 14% Italian_South @ 1.99
    85% Frisian + 15% Sicilian_Center @ 2.04
    74.7% NO + 25.3% Tuscan @ 2.66
    50% Dutch +25% Italian +25% Scottish @ 2.552180
    Albanian + Dutch_South + English_South + Norwegian @ 1.377633
    English_South + German_South + Greek + Icelandic @ 1.376707
    British_Isles + C_Italian + CEU30 + Lithuanian @ 0.773760

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    Resurrecting this thread...

    So, allow me to explain why I halted further testing. Aside from having a big distraction in my lab, I also ran into an unexpected issue with the oracle. It was working fine for the first few people that submitted. But then I hit a few that just went bonkers. The results were a mess and to make matters worse, these were people with known trace admixtures; exactly the tests subjects I needed.

    Finally, I have been able to trace down the issue. It seems I had a brilliant idea on how to speed up the calculations by discarding ones that were going in the wrong direction. Nope! It was a dumb idea because it was throwing away perfectly good solutions.

    I have also analyzed the sorting method I was using and identified a second issue there. I will, over the next day or so, try to reprocess the submissions I have until now, with some hope that they will now be better behaved. At least trying the new algorithm on my own results is giving much more consistent results. It is even making some calculator results become sensible when previously they were a mess (that should have ben a clue to me!)

    I just wanted to let those who submitted data know that I had not totally forgotten about this.
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    From 23andMe v4 data
    Gencove: 62% North & Central Europe, 21% SW Europe, 8% NE Europe, 5% Ashkenazi, 3% Central Indian Subcontinent & 1% Central Asian
    K29 on Geneplaza: 77.7% NW Europe, 13.7% SW Europe & 8.6% Central Asian (Tatar)

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    Since several people are also using the MDLP K16 Modern in addition to the puntDNAL K13 Global, here are my results:

    MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

    Kit T656173

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolithic 30.53
    2 NorthEastEuropean 26.97
    3 Steppe 25.28
    4 Caucasian 16.37
    5 Arctic 0.52
    6 Siberian 0.33

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 English (Kent) 2.27
    2 English (Cornwall) 2.73
    3 Irish (Connacht) 3.13
    4 Irish (Ulster) 3.58
    5 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 3.62
    6 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 3.72
    7 Scottish (Highlands) 3.84
    8 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 3.85
    9 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 3.87
    10 French (WestFrance) 4.12
    11 Scottish (Grampian) 4.21
    12 Irish (Leinster) 4.21
    13 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 4.33
    14 Irish (Munster) 4.4
    15 English (England) 4.52
    16 Scottish (Fife) 4.81
    17 Scottish (Borders) 4.82
    18 Norwegian (Norwegia) 5.2
    19 Icelandic (Iceland) 5.62
    20 French (France) 5.68

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.1% English (Kent) + 25.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 1.95
    2 76.3% English (Kent) + 23.7% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 2.05
    3 84.8% English (Kent) + 15.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.1
    4 86.9% English (Kent) + 13.1% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.13
    5 63.4% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 36.6% French (France) @ 2.16
    6 91.6% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 8.4% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.17
    7 62.4% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 37.6% French (France) @ 2.19
    8 96.3% English (Kent) + 3.7% Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) @ 2.2
    9 96.9% English (Kent) + 3.1% Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) @ 2.2
    10 96.7% English (Kent) + 3.3% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.2
    11 96.6% English (Kent) + 3.4% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 2.2
    12 96% English (Kent) + 4% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.21
    13 96.2% English (Kent) + 3.8% Ingrians (Ingermanland) @ 2.21
    14 96.8% English (Kent) + 3.2% Estonian (Estonia) @ 2.21
    15 96.9% English (Kent) + 3.1% Finn (EastFinland) @ 2.22
    16 96.5% English (Kent) + 3.5% Pole (Poland) @ 2.22
    17 97.3% English (Kent) + 2.7% Latvian (Latvia) @ 2.23
    18 96.8% English (Kent) + 3.2% Cossack (Kuban) @ 2.23
    19 98.1% English (Kent) + 1.9% Russian (Russia) @ 2.24
    20 94.5% English (Kent) + 5.5% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.24

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English_Kent @ 2.446911
    2 English_Cornwall @ 3.022427
    3 Irish_Connacht @ 3.308920
    4 Irish_Ulster @ 3.947716
    5 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 3.994787
    6 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 4.014349
    7 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 4.135065
    8 Scottish_Highlands @ 4.170565
    9 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 4.216576
    10 French_WestFrance @ 4.567558
    11 Scottish_Grampian @ 4.642195
    12 Irish_Leinster @ 4.699965
    13 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 4.787760
    14 Irish_Munster @ 4.812513
    15 English_England @ 5.062865
    16 Scottish_Fife @ 5.320104
    17 Scottish_Borders @ 5.394905
    18 Norwegian_Norwegia @ 5.557192
    19 Icelandic_Iceland @ 6.061185
    20 French_France @ 6.112931

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.375933


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English_Kent +25% English_Kent +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.098378


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 English_Kent + English_Kent + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.098378
    2 English_Kent + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.146321
    3 English_Kent + French_France + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.162889
    4 English_Kent + English_Kent + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.205150
    5 English_Kent + French_France + Norwegian_Norwegia + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.206645
    6 English_Kent + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.247889
    7 English_Kent + English_Kent + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.286620
    8 English_Kent + French_France + Icelandic_Iceland + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.299699
    9 English_Kent + French_France + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.314370
    10 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.318388
    11 English_Kent + English_Kent + Irish_Connacht + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.331638
    12 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.359997
    13 English_Kent + English_Kent + English_Kent + Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.363430
    14 English_Kent + English_Kent + French_France + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.365029
    15 English_Kent + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.367150
    16 English_Kent + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.375933
    17 English_Kent + English_Kent + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.393393
    18 French_France + Irish_Connacht + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.397314
    19 English_Cornwall + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 2.405513
    20 English_Cornwall + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands @ 2.410121

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