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    Thoughts on North Scandinavian L2?

    I was doing some research into R-L135 (R-L2>BY3508>L135) again this evening and noticed that a new sample on the Genographic Project database is (based on the FTDNA U152 maps) the fifth most northern L2 or U152 sample with the testers MDKA being in northern Norway. Since the Genographic database is not public I am being deliberately vague I'm afraid!

    I think that the 'I1' haplogroup is the predominant haplogroup in Scandinavia but it would be interesting to know any theories as to why L2 did not spread much into this area compared to say the British Isles.
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    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    I was doing some research into R-L135 (R-L2>BY3508>L135) ...it would be interesting to know any theories as to why L2 did not spread much into this area compared to say the British Isles.
    It's just too damn cold up there. This L2 guy prefers milder climates. Having lived in Alaska, Canada, and Nebraska I vowed to never again live in a place that required a snow shovel

    Sorry that's all I got at the moment, but if you are looking for "Deep thoughts" http://runt-of-the-web.com/jack-handey-quotes
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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    I was doing some research into R-L135 (R-L2>BY3508>L135) again this evening and noticed that a new sample on the Genographic Project database is (based on the FTDNA U152 maps) the fifth most northern L2 or U152 sample with the testers MDKA being in northern Norway. Since the Genographic database is not public I am being deliberately vague I'm afraid!

    I think that the 'I1' haplogroup is the predominant haplogroup in Scandinavia but it would be interesting to know any theories as to why L2 did not spread much into this area compared to say the British Isles.
    Northern Norway was settled by allot of Scots and Germans during the 13-1700's.. So it may very well be via one of these settlers.. This guy is a prime example of such migrations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petter_Dass

    My uncle is U152 by the way... But he traces his linage to a mountain village in western Norway..
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Northern Norway was settled by allot of Scots and Germans during the 13-1700's.. So it may very well be via one of these settlers.. This guy is a prime example of such migrations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petter_Dass

    My uncle is U152 by the way... But he traces his linage to a mountain village in western Norway..
    That's interesting, in particular I never knew about Scotland to Scandinavia migration.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    That's interesting, in particular I never knew about Scotland to Scandinavia migration.
    It was so influential that we even named one era of our history as the Scottish era:
    http://nordlands-stream.com/html/NT1630.html

    Some villages in western Norway were even named as "Scottish village" because of the high number of Scottish immigrants there. I have a few British ancestors who immigrated to Norway around that period, Maxwell/Lawson, Gray, Nither, etc...
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    I believe I have ancestors who made the reverse immigration...Norway to eastern Scotland. My Mitchell line is from Montrose, Scotland on the North Sea Coast, and I sometimes have these unknown Norwegian matches on some of these paternal segments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I believe I have ancestors who made the reverse immigration...Norway to eastern Scotland. My Mitchell line is from Montrose, Scotland on the North Sea Coast, and I sometimes have these unknown Norwegian matches on some of these paternal segments.
    Saw you got your Big Y results back. Anything interesting to report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theImmortal View Post
    Saw you got your Big Y results back. Anything interesting to report?
    I got my original BigY results back in March 2014. The hg38 update isn't yet complete as I only have 1 match showing up at the moment who is on my current terminal branch FGC12384. I've known about him before the update. I'm not seeing any matches at levels higher than this yet. e.g. I should eventually see some Z142 matches when this update is complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I believe I have ancestors who made the reverse immigration...Norway to eastern Scotland. My Mitchell line is from Montrose, Scotland on the North Sea Coast, and I sometimes have these unknown Norwegian matches on some of these paternal segments.
    How did you determine which way the migration went?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    How did you determine which way the migration went?
    I have Norwegian matches on my father's paternal grandfather's segments...on the same segments as known Scottish ancestor lines

    i.e. my father has a 3rd cousin on his Scottish Mitchell side, and my father, his cousin and these Norwegian matches are all on the same chr segment. So I'm making the assumption it's Norwegians that came to Scotland and either they or their descendants eventually married into my Mitchell line.
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