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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazasayeed View Post
    I’m waiting for my y haplogroup results, but from what Morley tool tells from my ancestry raw dna, I’m most likely E1B ancient isrealite lol. I had this convo with my dad yesterday about j tree and quraish and how our sayyid shajarah can be innacurate. In 1400 years your telling me every woman was faithful or every infertile man never adopted a child on the low? Hahaa in any case we will see in 6 weeks if I’m a sayyid, I believe a descendant might have been a Yemeni Jew and said he was a sayyid as the poster above states. That would explain my E1b, if that’s what I am.
    I'm more eager than you now to see what your haplogroup is lol after reading this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quraish tribe View Post
    Hello Dear,

    I would like to declaration my DNA result

    My haplogroup is A-PH856 ====> A-V3663

    I'm from Saudi Arabia , Al-Maddinah city

    We came from Mecca city 1200-1400 yers ago

    Prophet of Islam Muhammad is my paternal ancestry

    yfull id is :YF07912

    yfull.com/share/yreport/606ebd9eb38407acba1cf411f5a91c9f/
    I don't think anyone can say for sure if theyre direct descendents of the Prophet pbuh with 100% certainty. Many claims have been made and many haplogroups have popped up.
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    Moreover, A-M13 in the Arabian Peninsula is quite rare, at least from the papers I've come across, it ranges from 0 to well under a <1% detection in Saudi Arabia.
    If Mohammed's lineage actually came from this line, by now someone would've picked up on an oddly higher uptick or particularly higher concentration among the Quraish but their project shows they're overwhelmingly J. So, it's very unlikely there's any connection to Mohammed/Ali's line.


    @Quraish tribe...on a separate tangent, welcome to the forum! I've been waiting for the day I wouldn't be the only A-M13 on here

    I'm id:YF09620 (A-Y25085). According to YFull's calculation our TMRCA is 10300ybp; probably a relic from small OoA migrations during the lower neolithic sub pluvial. There's quite a few of us scarcely scattered around the Arabian peninsula/Persian Gulf.

    Out of curiosity, did you happen to read this post I made yesterday? I found it all too ironic you'd pop up now
    Last edited by Angoliga; 11-15-2017 at 06:52 PM. Reason: Quraysh Project added - primarily J lineage
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage_sky View Post
    I don't think anyone can say for sure if theyre direct descendents of the Prophet pbuh with 100% certainty. Many claims have been made and many haplogroups have popped up.
    As far as the Quran is concerned, the only son mentioned is his adopted son. Also, it is irrelevant even if a direct male descendant did exist. After all, his biggest enemies were his family. Sharing the haplogroup made no difference in their opposition, just as it would make no difference if there was a living descendant with the line. As someone mentioned also, outside of digging up the bodies(which are even questionable based on multiple "burial" locations), there would be no way to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quraish tribe View Post
    As we know from books. some of The Jews of Yemen and The Jews of Tabaristan " IRAN " 1300 yers ago they lied and said they are from Quraish tribe

    as we see their genetic findings close to the Ashkenazim Jews

    This is a natural explanation for their genetic outcome under J tree


    I repeat what I wrote in advance

    A true honest researcher must read all the genetic lines without any exception

    Anyway this is my genetic result for real researchers in genealogy study
    You mix some oral myths (some Quraishi being actually from Iran (?)) with the origin of the haplogroup J1 to make you look like a "real Quraishi". Besides this Ashkenazi Jews and Yemenite Jews are nothing alike from a genetical point of view.

    I don't know much about haplogroup A, however it is well known that African slaves lived in Arabia since pre-islamic times and that they were integrated into the tribes after time.
    Last edited by Gnid; 11-15-2017 at 06:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnid View Post
    I don't know much about haplogroup A, however it is well known that African slaves lived in Arabia since pre-islamic times and that they were integrated into the tribes after time.
    ...true, Bilal is the first to come to my mind.

    However, this particular lineage (id:YF06642) has a TMRCA of over 10kya with the SSAs under A-Y25085. The dates overlap East-African pops expanding across the Green Sahara and Arabian Peninsula during the beginning of the Holocene Wet Phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    ...true, Bilal is the first to come to my mind.

    However, this particular lineage (id:YF06642) has a TMRCA of over 10kya with the SSAs under A-Y25085. The dates overlap East-African pops expanding across the Green Sahara and Arabian Peninsula during the beginning of the Holocene Wet Phase.
    Bilal was half Habesha/Half Arab with his paternal side being Arab of the Banu Jumah clan

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Bilal was half Habesha/Half Arab with his paternal side being Arab of the Banu Jumah clan
    Wow! This is news to me

    I always thought he was fully African and moreover a non-horner

    Interesting that the Banu Jumah are a clan of the Quraish tribe, just did a quick search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage_sky View Post
    I don't think anyone can say for sure if theyre direct descendents of the Prophet pbuh with 100% certainty. Many claims have been made and many haplogroups have popped up.
    I mean no one can be a direct paternal descendant; there are no sons. So all lineage is mediated via Fatima + Ali. It just so happens Ali has the same grandfather, so in that sense you can find a common paternal ancestor. The best genetics can ever really hope prove is a y-DNA terminal SNP associated with Abdul-Muttalib OR an mtDNA line associated with Khadijah and Fatima. So even if one can prove they have the same HG as Abdul-Muttalib, how do you do you know you aren't the descendant of Abu-Lahab, as opposed to Ali? You don't. Even if you are sure you are a descendant of Ali, how do you know you are descended via Hassan or Hussain and not his other children from other wives? You don't.

    You can probably prove you are Banu Hashim, maybe even Qur'aysh, but it'll be very difficult to prove anyone is the direct descendant of Ali + Fatima, unless one establishes Abdul-Mutallib's y-HG as well as Khadija's mtDNA-HG, and a person has both.

    That being said, some sub-clades of J1 are clearly showing up with more frequency over any others. So I think it's reasonable to assume that if you aren't J1, you probably can't be Banu Hashim. Or perhaps, all those J1s are false leads? Who knows. I think most of the world agrees that the King of Jordan is a direct descendant, and he is the only person upon which so many people have agreement. So whatever his y-HG, is likely the standard.

    The most direct connection to Muhammad would be via Fatima + Ali, but barring that, the next best thing is any of his other daughter's descendants -- meaning the mtDNA line, not the yDNA line.
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