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    Ashkenazy and north slavic

    On DNA.Land my friend scored about 13% Ashkenazi and 5% North Slavic. the rest is East Asian. On the description it says "Ashkenazi Jew in Poland and Ashkenazi Jew from East Europe especially Lithuania (expat in Baltimore MD)" would that include Russians as well? and also, how accurate would results be?
    She never knew much about her ancestry, let alone of Jewish heritage.

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    Poles and Russians are similar genetically. Best thing would be to upload dna to gedmatch.
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    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    what would be the bes admixture calc. for it?

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    also she was trying to figure out whether she Polish Jewish or Russian Jewish, based on matches we found there were quite many from Poland region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annalubov View Post
    what would be the bes admixture calc. for it?
    Eurogenes isnt the best for Mediterranean based DNA unless its a high amount, so they came up with the Jtest which checks specifically for the jewish gene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annalubov View Post
    also she was trying to figure out whether she Polish Jewish or Russian Jewish, based on matches we found there were quite many from Poland region.
    I don't see how you could tell from ancestry results unless you are mostly not Ashkenazi and most of the recent is Eastern European non-Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi all get a very close base similarity no matter where they are from and if she happened to have a little very recent non-Ashkenazi Polish or Russian mixed in, with such a little bit there is not enough to reliably read anything out of ratios of components to have any reliable chance to tell. All she has is 13% Ashkenazi and only 5% Eastern European and there is no way these tests can even begin to remotely give any hint as where a bit of Eastern European as small as 5% came from (I mean maybe you can manually find some SNP through luck that is mostly only in the Baltics or southern Balkans, etc. but that would take some luck). Russians usually score more Eastern Asian than Polish and much more than Baltic people, but again with 5% EE score there is no room and the chance of randomly getting this or that because too high to make anything of anything and in her case, which is very unusual, she is mostly Eastern Asian so she couldn't even read anything into that at all.

    The matching might be a better hint, if they are almost all Polish and barely any from Russia or Ukraine or Latvia, etc. then it might hint that perhaps they did come from the greater Polish region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombatofthenorth View Post
    I don't see how you could tell from ancestry results unless you are mostly not Ashkenazi and most of the recent is Eastern European non-Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi all get a very close base similarity no matter where they are from and if she happened to have a little very recent non-Ashkenazi Polish or Russian mixed in, with such a little bit there is not enough to reliably read anything out of ratios of components to have any reliable chance to tell. All she has is 13% Ashkenazi and only 5% Eastern European and there is no way these tests can even begin to remotely give any hint as where a bit of Eastern European as small as 5% came from (I mean maybe you can manually find some SNP through luck that is mostly only in the Baltics or southern Balkans, etc. but that would take some luck). Russians usually score more Eastern Asian than Polish and much more than Baltic people, but again with 5% EE score there is no room and the chance of randomly getting this or that because too high to make anything of anything and in her case, which is very unusual, she is mostly Eastern Asian so she couldn't even read anything into that at all.

    The matching might be a better hint, if they are almost all Polish and barely any from Russia or Ukraine or Latvia, etc. then it might hint that perhaps they did come from the greater Polish region.
    yes she is approx half East Asian and Central Asian, since her mother is from fully Asian Descent, but her dad is mixed, half is Eastern European and other half unknown, but he is not of Asian Descent. Which we are trying to figure out. Many people in Central Asia look quite mixed due to history etc. It is not an easy task but fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annalubov View Post
    also she was trying to figure out whether she Polish Jewish or Russian Jewish, based on matches we found there were quite many from Poland region.

    If most say they lived in Poland then that might be a better guess than Russia (of course you also have to account for people from different regions having tested to different degrees, most testers live in the U.S. and people from some regions may have ended up in the U.S. more than from others and then for those still living in Europe, some countries test more than others, and also with relative few tests for many regions, sometimes luck of a related group can give bias, so it can be tricky to judge by matches too).

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