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    Living DNA results for a Caucasian Jew

    Living DNA is one of the only companies that breaks down the Middle East into components. As there are many Europe-centric results, I thought some people would be interested in seeing results from a non-European.

    As far as I know, I am 100% Mountain Jewish from the Caucasus. Both of my parents were born in the republic of Dagestan. All my great-grandparents were Mountain Jews who were likely born within ~40 mi of each other.

    Complete View - Regional

    Europe
    Europe (South) - 49.2%
    [Italy colored]

    Near East
    Levant - 24.9%
    North Turkey - 8.5%
    Iran - 5.2%

    Asia (South)
    Sindh - 8.1%
    Indian subcontinent - 1.4%
    Pashtun - 1.1%

    Asia (Central)
    Chechnya - 1.5%


    A few (biased) observations:

    • The ~50% European is obviously a gross exaggeration, although I don't reject it outright. I do share 0.10-0.11% DNA with Italians on 23andMe.

    • The higher North Turkey percentage than Iranian is surprising, since the oral tradition among the community says that we came to the Caucasus from Persia (as evidenced by our Judeo-Persian tongue).

    • The low Chechnya number (which encompasses Dagestan on the map) is also noted, showing little admixture with the host population.

    • The Indian/Sindh admixture is a bit of a mystery to me. FTDNA also shows 6% South Central Asian. However, the "Cautious" view displays the same admixture as "Blochistan-related". If that is the case, then it's possible that both our groups had ancestors in Iran or even Syria, as Baloch lore claim Western origins.
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    I'm not familiar with livingDNA but a little bell tells me their Italian reference population is probably Sicilian or Southernmost Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govan View Post
    I'm not familiar with livingDNA but a little bell tells me their Italian reference population is probably Sicilian or Southernmost Italian.
    It is likely to be either from Sicily, Calabria, or Campania.

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    From what I know about Italian populations, I would agree with you both. However, LivingDNA has the following sub-regional breakdown:

    South Italy - 22.5%
    North Italy - 13.4%
    Tuscany - 13.3%

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    Here are the LivingDNA results of an Ashkenazi Jew. Not even so different on an over-regional level.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post308473

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    From what I know about Italian populations, I would agree with you both. However, LivingDNA has the following sub-regional breakdown:

    South Italy - 22.5%
    North Italy - 13.4%
    Tuscany - 13.3%
    wow ....
    so significant north/central italian genes very cool results

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    Since when is Chechnya Central Asia ? Chechnya is basically in the middle between Western Asia and Eastern Europe.

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    doesn't metter that much could be mistake by them {living dna }
    only 1.5% of his total genome .
    lest focus on the major elments here the guy is 49% southern european genetically speaking
    it is in line with his my heritage results also if i remember that i saw in ftdna forum you score huge 41% greek
    and 19% southeast europe in my origins 2.0
    i think your southern european total genes % are closer to livind dna and my heritage than the my origins 2.0 result.
    thanks for sharing your results
    if you happen to have a non -jewish person from deghastan or chechnia it would be great to see his living dna results and compare what similar and what not between you and him
    regards
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    p.s
    can you upload your raw data to dna land
    https://dna.land/
    it takes 24 hours usually it would be nice to see what they give you they have some southern european clusters there
    balakn and south/ central europe and med islander is also part south euro cluster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geborgenheit View Post
    Since when is Chechnya Central Asia ? Chechnya is basically in the middle between Western Asia and Eastern Europe.
    You're right. First, they should've categorized it Nakh/Dagestan because they color Dagestan as well as Chechnya on the map, who are (as far as I know) a different people. And second, they should've called the region 'Caucasus', definitely not 'Central Asia'.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    doesn't metter that much could be mistake by them {living dna }
    only 1.5% of his total genome .
    lest focus on the major elments here the guy is 49% southern european genetically speaking
    it is in line with his my heritage results also if i remember that i saw in ftdna forum you score huge 41% greek
    and 19% southeast europe in my origins 2.0
    i think your southern european total genes % are closer to livind dna and my heritage than the my origins 2.0 result.
    thanks for sharing your results
    if you happen to have a non -jewish person from deghastan or chechnia it would be great to see his living dna results and compare what similar and what not between you and him
    regards
    adam

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    can you upload your raw data to dna land
    Are you referring to me? I'm not on the FTDNA forum.

    Here are my DNA.Land results:
    100% West Eurasian

    Central Indoeuropean - 61%
    Arab/Egyptian - 26%
    Indo-Iranian - 6.9%
    Balkan - 5%
    Ashkenazi/Levantine - 1.5%


    However, it seems to vary in our community, as my maternal grandfather gets 26% Mediterranean Islander on DNA.Land and only 25% Central Indoeuropean.

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    ok sory
    there was another caucasus jew results i saw in ftdna forum
    he score 41% greek in my heritage and 19% south east europe in my origins 2.0
    http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=42096
    so i thought it was you
    can you share with me your my heritage and my origins 2.0 results muych appricate ?
    kind regards
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    p.s
    have to say your dna land is realy not inline with your liviling dna results
    only 5% south eurpean here balkan

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