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Thread: E-M5021 on 23andme (What does that mean?)

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    I also show as E-M5021 on 23andme. All my closest matches on FTDNA are Sephardim. Or matches with known Jewish ancestry. DNA Land gives me Western Levant Israel admixture. But FTDNA gives me Eastern Levant even central Asian admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Spaniard View Post
    I also show as E-M5021 on 23andme. All my closest matches on FTDNA are Sephardim. Or matches with known Jewish ancestry. DNA Land gives me Western Levant Israel admixture. But FTDNA gives me Eastern Levant even central Asian admixture.
    Our Y-DNA is only a fraction of the whole genome. I know someone with a clear Western European haplotype who shows less than 3% European on the autosomal level. You should do a Y-DNA test and compare your results to others'.
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    According to Ftdna my haplogroup is E-V12*, 23andme also lists me at E-V12, however Morley assigned my ancestrydna file as E1b1b1b1a2~2 or V-168. 23andme also says this. Which one is it? E-V12* or E-M5021?

    Your haplogroup spread with the first farmers.
    E-M5021
    The spread of agriculture transformed the way of life in Europe.
    Your paternal line stems from a branch of E-M215 called E-M5021. Men bearing this lineage migrated from the Balkans to southwestern Europe during the spread of agriculture by early farmers in the agricultural revolution, which began about 10,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent. Early members of your haplogroup, some of the world’s first farmers, had a competitive advantage over native men, who didn’t have farming technology. As a result of this advantage, your haplogroup became widespread and populous during the agricultural revolution. The effects of this ancient advantage are still seen today, with your haplogroup being represented from Portugal and Spain to Palestine, southern Africa, and Russia.
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    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    My 23&me haplotypeis E-M5021. My father's people are from villages in the mountains of Arkadia, Greece. Legends tell that the Arkadians were early settlers of Greece.

    My question relates to drobbah's comment above: "If 23&me gave you E-M5021 then that means you tested negative for everything downstream which means you aren't even V13."

    Is E-M5021 a specific DNA haplotype, or is it a generic classification for a set of subgroups of E-M215 that don't fit into any of the identified subclades.

    I hope it is a specific DNA haplotype, because it looks like a really interesting group of people.

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    Why do Somalians have Y dna E M5021

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    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    I thought E-M5021 was a typical Jewish subclade
    Thats not possible, because I have no Jewish DNA. But my greatgrandfather has E-M5021. I think it is from Balkan, Greece etc

    best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasir View Post
    Why do Somalians have Y dna E M5021
    *Somalis not Somalians

    Target: Mother_scaled
    Distance: 5.4903% / 0.05490334
    50.8 Dinka
    35.8 Levant_Natufian
    9.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    4.0 ETH_4500BP
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 5.1638% / 0.05163817
    44.8 Dinka
    36.0 Levant_Natufian
    11.6 ETH_4500BP
    6.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    1.4 MAR_EN

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 5.5604% / 0.05560439
    48.0 Dinka
    42.0 Levant_Natufian
    8.6 ETH_4500BP
    1.0 MAR_EN
    0.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf


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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    *Somalis not Somalians
    Lol, yes. Always makes me cringe a bit when I hear or read "Somalians". But on the subject of E-M5021, I was recently quite surprised to find I have two different relatives who seem to carry it. They both have distinct mtDNA lineages so I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they're not particularly related even though they could very well be long lost half-brothers (distinct surnames):

     


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    Might be some sort of rare (i.e. relatively unsuccessful) but old clade among us.
    Last edited by Awale; 05-16-2018 at 12:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    Lol, yes. Always makes me cringe a bit when I hear or read "Somalians". But on the subject of E-M5021, I was recently quite surprised to find I have two different relatives who seem to carry it. They both have distinct mtDNA lineages so I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they're not particularly related even though they could very well be long lost half-brothers (distinct surnames):

     


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    Might be some sort of rare (i.e. relatively unsuccessful) but old clade among us.
    I have been noticing a surge in E-M5021 Somali carriers on 23&me.I honestly think they are just new users on the V5 chip and that the company has decided it doesn't want to test any deeper than that.

    Target: Mother_scaled
    Distance: 5.4903% / 0.05490334
    50.8 Dinka
    35.8 Levant_Natufian
    9.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    4.0 ETH_4500BP
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 5.1638% / 0.05163817
    44.8 Dinka
    36.0 Levant_Natufian
    11.6 ETH_4500BP
    6.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    1.4 MAR_EN

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 5.5604% / 0.05560439
    48.0 Dinka
    42.0 Levant_Natufian
    8.6 ETH_4500BP
    1.0 MAR_EN
    0.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf


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    23 and me gives me E-M5021. Morley SNP shows E-CTS1273....PF2211/V13.

    Family on dads side are from Calabria on the Ionian Sea side, with probable origins in Greece or the neighboring countries. Will be doing a Y analysis soon.

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