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Thread: R-BY3508, L135 and BY3506 Update Thread

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    R-BY3508, L135 and BY3506 Update Thread

    I'm posting fairly regularly on the L2 board with different threads often relating to by terminal SNP BY3506 or it's parent clades L135 and BY3508 so to stop clogging up the board with endless threads I'll use this as an update thread.

    Having noticed recently that the NEVGEN haplogroup predictor can predict the BY1145 SNP (which is in the same "block" as L135) I had a look at the STR results in the U152 project for those who are L2+ by Z49- and Z367-.

    Fortunately the very first tester (SW France) in this group was predicted with 100% probability to be BY1145+, I then went through all the otehr testers and had one American tester who was estimated to be BY1445+ with 72% probability. Most interestingly of all though was a tester from Azerbaijan who was predicted to be BY1145 with 99.63% probability.

    I'll try and get in touch with these testers to confirm the predictions with a SNP test and it will be very interesting to hear about the tester from Azerbaijan in particular.

    I have had YSEQ put together my own custom SNP pack for BY3508 so this could be a good opportunity to test this perhaps.

    It's a shame that you can't put batches of results through NEVGEN since I had had to do each one manually and so although there are probably other predicted BY1145+ results in the project it's an awful lot of work.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Nice work Dillon!

    Hopefully you can get a few of them to test just for BY3506. I noticed this week that on big tree, the estimate for it is now around 160BC (was around 500BC before).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litz View Post
    Nice work Dillon!

    Hopefully you can get a few of them to test just for BY3506. I noticed this week that on big tree, the estimate for it is now around 160BC (was around 500BC before).
    I would be cautious with that age estimate on the Big Tree, I think that it still describes the aging as a work in progress and it is a long way off YFull or Dr McDonald's estimates. Great if it is correct though as that means less of a gap between our DNA tree and paper trail tree!
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Just to add onto my last post Litz there are more samples on the Big Tree than any of the other aging estimates were able to use which may account for the difference but to be honest I'd have thought that more samples are likely to increase the TMRCA estimate.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    I see a Farrar (England) in the FTDNA U152 group now. Is that a new BY3506 one, or was he there before?

    Also, two of the kits from before are not there anymore. Quadling (England) and Michel/Michels (Luxembourg). They were both confirmed BY3506 before. Are they now in another grouping, or did both just happen to change their privacy settings at same time?
    Last edited by Litz; 11-29-2017 at 05:06 PM.

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    I saw that yesterday as well, there are actually two Ferrars there who both trace their ancestry back to the same person although the other Ferrar tester has not filled out the MDKA bit for the U152 project so I found this info on the Ferrar surname project.

    With regards to the Quadling and Michel testers disappearing they are still there but they seem to have their privacy settings set so that only project members can see their results so if you are not logged into your FTDNA account when you open up the U152 results page you won't see them.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    FTDNA and Geno R-L135 Distribution 2.12.2017 Credited version.jpg
    Here is the current distribution of the R-L135 haplogroup, this is produced with data from The National Geographic Society’s Genographic Project and the FTDNA U152 project.

    At present there seems to be quite a concentration around the Netherlands/north-east France/west Germany area, although this may be due to a testing bias in the databases used. It is worth mentioning that although there are more people who have tested L135+ these testers have been excluded since they either have not stated their MDKA location or this location was too vague, e.g. just a country stated.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    So far, its not that different from the L2 distribution in general, except L2 has more showing up around the Switzerland and Germany border area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litz View Post
    So far, its not that different from the L2 distribution in general, except L2 has more showing up around the Switzerland and Germany border area.
    Yes, I would agree broadly speaking although it is very hard with such a relatively small number of samples to draw conclusions.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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    Interestingly the L135 et al. block seems to have been split further with the re-analysis by FTDNA on a pre-Hg38 Big Y. This seems to have resulted in the new SNP R-BY31149 being discovered so perhaps we are going to see some benefit from the Hg37 to 38 swap.
    Paternal Y-DNA: U152>L2>BY3508>L135>BY3506 Estimated age of BY3506: 500BC
    Most Distant Known Paternal Ancestor: Patrick Dillon, born around 1790 somewhere in Ireland (possibly County Mayo). Some of his descendants later moved to Manchester, England between the 1820s and 30s.

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