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    "Historically, men translated the Odyssey. Here’s what happened when a woman took the

    an interesting read I thought
    ... I read the original in school, but I have no clue which translation it was
    ...I do remember that even high school English taught by a not particularly good teacher could not crush the fun inherent in one of the oldest of adventure yarns
    ... acknowledging the status and problems of slaves in the story was not on the agenda then


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    Well, if anyone can "crush the fun inherent in one of the oldest of adventure yarns", it would be a feminist.



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    Par for the vox.com course, lol.

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    This is a great article. A highly necessary effort. Thanks for the share. I'm loving "The Arts" section of this forum already.

    This is especially laudable because Wilson aims to invite readers to engage more actively with the text, through the use of plain language. This is something no translator has dared to do. Most translations seem tedious to read--valuable, but tedious.

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    I'm all for plain language, as long as it "translates" fairly to modern speech. I loved the Seamus Heaney translation of Beowulf. But...

    This is probably heresy--but even as a woman I am getting really, really tired of feminism; I'll give her points for not using the term "herstory." The Odyssey is a peek into ancient history and the culture thereof. I really don't think anyone reading it is unaware that slavery was endemic in the ancient world or that the role of women was constrained, or even that the far past is often brutal. Nor do I see how a story from thousands of years in the past, composed by a people and a culture that is also thousands years in the past endorses "this very hierarchical kind of society as if that’s what heroism is" creates an obligation on her part to rub readers' noses in how she sees the saga. Gah.

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    I think you are absolutely right. I think feminism is a necessary social movement. It has led to so many welcome changes, but it is also misinterpreted and misappropriated. But what social movement/impulse isn't? We misunderstand communism, capitalism, environmentalism, etc. So, it doesn't surprise me that there are those who push feminism too far.

    But I also think the translation in question doesn't merely aim to call readers' attention to how it was back then. I think it's an attempt to show that we are not yet far from that social order. We certainly are far--because we recognize misogyny and slavery as grave problems, but they still persist.

    So the "plain language" serves to evoke in the reader the contours of the contemporary social order--what will all its inequities and injustices. That's my humble interpretation of this

    I hope this made sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer View Post
    I think you are absolutely right. I think feminism is a necessary social movement. It has led to so many welcome changes, but it is also misinterpreted and misappropriated. But what social movement/impulse isn't? We misunderstand communism, capitalism, environmentalism, etc. So, it doesn't surprise me that there are those who push feminism too far.

    But I also think the translation in question doesn't merely aim to call readers' attention to how it was back then. I think it's an attempt to show that we are not yet far from that social order. We certainly are far--because we recognize misogyny and slavery as grave problems, but they still persist.

    So the "plain language" serves to evoke in the reader the contours of the contemporary social order--what will all its inequities and injustices. That's my humble interpretation of this

    I hope this made sense
    I admit what came across to me as a somewhat self-congratulatory, a little smug, tone in the article irritated me. I am also in my mid-60's and getting a little cranky I earned my science degrees in the 70's, was a volunteer EMT/firefighter in the 80's, I am well aware of how things can be--and of how much progress has been made.

    My problem with her stated purpose, admittedly as I see it, is that in large part the audience that will be reading her translation is one already aware that these problems existed and still exist in various parts of the world. The Odyssey is a story of millennial old people/culture and has value for its own sake. I have no problem with new translations, as I said, I enjoyed Haney's Beowulf very much, I just am becoming uneasy with the growing trend of turning these ancient stories into morality lessons for people living far removed from the origin of these stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lirio100 View Post
    I admit what came across to me as a somewhat self-congratulatory, a little smug, tone in the article irritated me. I am also in my mid-60's and getting a little cranky I earned my science degrees in the 70's, was a volunteer EMT/firefighter in the 80's, I am well aware of how things can be--and of how much progress has been made.

    My problem with her stated purpose, admittedly as I see it, is that in large part the audience that will be reading her translation is one already aware that these problems existed and still exist in various parts of the world. The Odyssey is a story of millennial old people/culture and has value for its own sake. I have no problem with new translations, as I said, I enjoyed Haney's Beowulf very much, I just am becoming uneasy with the growing trend of turning these ancient stories into morality lessons for people living far removed from the origin of these stories.
    Wow! A firefighter? That's amazing! I'm sure that must have made you privy to a lot of gender politics. And thanks for clarifying your stance. I believe I understand you better now

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