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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    les Hauteville?

    il y a un un petit musée qui leur est consacré
    ça vaut la peine d'être vu?
    En effet cela vaut la peine, il y a aussi des expositions temporaires comme il y a deux ans
    avec le travail d'un artisan normand qui travaille le bois, Didier Lemarchant.

    http://www.patrimoine-normand.com/in...che-30410.html

    Un homme ayant consacré sa vie à l'art Viking
    Au chateau de Pirou, toujours dans le même secteur que Hauteville la Guichard, est exposé une tapisserie sur la conquête de l'Italie, sur le modèle de celle de Bayeux.
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    Je ne connait pas tres bien l'autosomale de Calabria et il est probable que les Normands n'aient pas laisser de trace tangible dans le sud.
    Il semblerait qu'il s'agisse de quelques aventuriers, style mercenaires qui après leur victoires se soient fait une place au soleil. Il y en a eu en Italie , Sicile, moins connu du côté de l'Albanie, Syrie....à l'époque les Normands avaient la bougeotte. Vu leur énergie, ils ont du laissé un bon paquet d'enfants, mais cela doit être bien dilué. Cela n'a rien à voir avec un mouvement migratoire.
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Bonjour,

    I was wondering if anyone would like to venture an opinion concerning the analysis of K36 as done by LM et, al. If you are of slightly mixed ancestry, how much will that effect your results. For example, my ancestry is approximately 88% British & Irish, 6% German and 6% Italian. However, in my results I’m pulled substantially into the Continent, so that I appear to be more German, Dutch & French, than I am English, Scottish and Irish. Which certainly doesn’t represent my ancestry in a genealogical time frame (400 years). Although, it may in more ancient terms.

    https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...mplt=2&hml=KML

    So the question is, are my Italian (& perhaps German) percentages, enough to pull me that far South? Or could it be picking up on something more distant in time. As per David’s comment when he rolled out K36:

    “Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that many Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.” - (my emphasis added)

    http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/03/e...-gedmatch.html

    I suspect, it may be both but any opinions would be welcomed.
    Last edited by JMcB; 01-10-2019 at 04:48 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    “Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that many Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.” - (my emphasis added)

    http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/03/e...-gedmatch.html

    I suspect, it may be both but any opinions would be welcomed.
    IL faut plutôt poser la question directement à David ( Generalissimo) étant le père de K36 il est plus à même d'y répondre.
    Dans une admixture moderne il n'est pas aisé de savoir ce qui est ancien de récent, l'ascendance ancienne venant renforcer la plus récente et vis versa !!!
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    IL faut plutôt poser la question directement à David ( Generalissimo) étant le père de K36 il est plus à même d'y répondre.
    Dans une admixture moderne il n'est pas aisé de savoir ce qui est ancien de récent, l'ascendance ancienne venant renforcer la plus récente et vis versa !!!
    Merci Helgenes,

    Those are both good points. It’s funny, after I posted the above I thought the same thing, David is probably the one to ask. On the other hand, there are some knowledgeable people on the French threads, when it comes to K36. So I thought I’d post it here. At any rate, I think your second point stands; it’s probably too hard to tell, one way or the other. The shift appears to be real because I’m seeing it across platforms but the causes remains to be seen. Whenever it was, it was before 1600, so I’ll have to go with that.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    Bonjour à tous,

    Je cherche à déterminer l'origine d'un parent sachant que l'autre est normand, avec un arbre généalogique toujours dans l'Orne en Normandie jusqu'en 1600.

    Que pensez vous de mes résultats s'il vous plaît ?

    Voici mes résultats K36 :
    Arabian: 2
    Basque : 6.61
    Central euro: 5.51
    East balkan: 2.38
    East central euro: 0.79
    East Med:1.89
    Eastern euro: 3.31
    Fennoscandian: 0.37
    French: 6.48
    Iberian: 26.81
    Italian: 20.28
    North Atlantic : 11.08
    North sea : 9.73
    Volga ural: 1.64
    West caucasian: 1

    Mes résultats lm genetics montrent le pays basque, îles Baléares et l'Espagne en rouge.

    La carte indique Bordeaux comme point central.
    Merci pour votre aide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Bonjour à tous,

    Je cherche à déterminer l'origine d'un parent sachant que l'autre est normand, avec un arbre généalogique toujours dans l'Orne en Normandie jusqu'en 1600.

    Que pensez vous de mes résultats s'il vous plaît ?

    Voici mes résultats K36 :
    Arabian: 2
    Basque : 6.61
    Central euro: 5.51
    East balkan: 2.38
    East central euro: 0.79
    East Med:1.89
    Eastern euro: 3.31
    Fennoscandian: 0.37
    French: 6.48
    Iberian: 26.81
    Italian: 20.28

    North Atlantic : 11.08
    North sea : 9.73
    Volga ural: 1.64
    West caucasian: 1

    Mes résultats lm genetics montrent le pays basque, îles Baléares et l'Espagne en rouge.

    La carte indique Bordeaux comme point central.
    Merci pour votre aide.
    Le fort taux d'Ibérian (Castillan) et d'Italian (Toscan) laisse à penser que l'autre parent est plus tiré vers la Méditerranée.
    Peut-être un grand parent d'origine espagnole ou italienne du nord/centre.
    Il faut quand même avoir conscience que ce type de test ne remplace pas la généalogie.
    Bienvenue et bon courage.

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    26.81% Iberian is a really high score, even the Portuguese average is below that at 25% ish (although I have over 32). I'd be incredibly surprised if you didn't have a close Basque or Iberian ancestor - I'd say perhaps a French Basque grandparent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Bonjour à tous,

    Je cherche à déterminer l'origine d'un parent sachant que l'autre est normand, avec un arbre généalogique toujours dans l'Orne en Normandie jusqu'en 1600.

    Que pensez vous de mes résultats s'il vous plaît ?

    Voici mes résultats K36 :
    Arabian: 2
    Basque : 6.61
    Central euro: 5.51
    East balkan: 2.38
    East central euro: 0.79
    East Med:1.89
    Eastern euro: 3.31
    Fennoscandian: 0.37
    French: 6.48
    Iberian: 26.81
    Italian: 20.28
    North Atlantic : 11.08
    North sea : 9.73
    Volga ural: 1.64
    West caucasian: 1

    Mes résultats lm genetics montrent le pays basque, îles Baléares et l'Espagne en rouge.

    La carte indique Bordeaux comme point central.
    Merci pour votre aide.
    Bonjour et bienvenue

    Tu veux dire que tu es à moitié Normand de l'Orne ?
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Oui exactement, et un petit peu la manche

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